TalkingCarlton :: View topic - SOS the next coach of Carlton:Walls

The problem with whether a coach is a fantastic coach is based too much on whether they were a great player and their name and the structure of the ladder to climb to get to the top.

The only way Silvangi will find out whether he can coach good is to dip his toe in the country for a couple of years.This doesnt happen much as it is assistant roles at AFL that are the stepping stones to a top coaching job.

To be a good coach you need heaps of skills in a number of different areas.Very few footballers have the whole package.The other slight problem is that there are only 16 jobs on the go and some guys are overrated in their jobs and should of been given the arse years ago.No names needed here.

I cant see SOS packing Jo and the kids and moving to Horsham for the year so he wont know how good he is as a head coach until he gets a job (No pun intended here)

I could not believe Teflon Terry Wallace was given a 5 year deal to coach as well. How he left the doggies showed me that as a person he thinks he can do what he likes and people below him just say yes.Coaches have to rule but players have to like him as well

Some blokes with question marks on their characters can be super coaches but seemed destined to not get a top gig because their reputation is on the hooter.The best example is Phil Carman who took a ratshit Sturt team to the finals and can coach.Micky McGuane is another who has had great success at Burnie and Gisborne.At least he has put his foot in the door at the Saints and could out coach Thomas easily.

I havent read the article by Walls because this is the guy who tipped the Cats to finish somewhere down the bottom in 2005.I always feel that Roberto has hidden agendas when he says or writes anything.

Can SOS COACH.Well we dont know but If he has any aspirations to do it I suggest he tries his hand in the bush which is unlikely.Or maybe he will end up at the Timmy Watson school of coaching.

Author:	Kouta [ Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:50 pm ]
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SOS the next coach of Carlton:Walls He is average on the tube(I'm being kind) but his analysis in the paper did surprise and the Dogs aren't travelling too badly ATM. Is TheGame around?

Author:	yibbida [ Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:56 pm ]
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Where do we sign ?

Author:	Kouta [ Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:59 pm ]
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Hand over your first born to Collo and the deal will be done!

Author:	malbi [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:19 am ]
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After he does his apprenticeships I'd have him back in a heart-beat. Or Ratts. Or Braddles. Or all three.

Author:	Kouta [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:45 am ]
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Ratten, SOS, Bradley and Dean coaching together would be a dream but unlikely. Would he offer Campo a gig as an assistant at Carlton?

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Author:	AGRO [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:47 am ]
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Mentored Roberts @#$%&! Thompson. He should be back here mentoring Setanta for christsake.

Author:	jimmae [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:48 am ]
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Glowing article but Walls is sticking up for a work colleague here. I just don't want to get caught on a wave of sentimentality, we've all seen how that's gone in the past. Having said that a coach who bleeds Blue and has the goods will be magnificent for this club. Pretty sure Pagan loves the club too.

Author:	Ponkstar [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:55 am ]
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I guess this way SOS will finally get the money the club owes him....

Author:	malbi [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:59 am ]
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jimmae wrote: Pretty sure Pagan loves the club too. But does Pagan bleed for the club? Perhaps SOS won't be senior coach, but I would love him to be an assistant. One day, SOS, Ratts or Braddles will be back... One day, we will again play finals... one day, we will win another premiership... one day...

Author:	jimmae [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:14 am ]
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I hope all three do, altogether they would be a magnificent team, I'd retain Mitchell also. Williams as a skills coach. I think you'd find Pagan bleeds navy blue with a tinge of white these days. Can't shut out your childhood team.

Author:	Linus [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:50 am ]
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My first thought was , NO WAY! After reading the article, hmmmmm?? I wonder?

Author:	Synbad [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:13 am ]
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Look, if you talk to the suits around the club youd fiund its not far fetched and that SOS is "away from the club , learning". To me thats a nightmare. SOS has a vey aloof personality.. isnt a reat communicater the TV doesnt lie.. and i reckon his special comments is useless. He states the bleeding obvious... GET VOSS!!! NOW!!!!.. one year as an assistant and in... SOS can come in as an assistant to VOSS if he wants it. We need someone that the whole footy world will take notice of.

Author:	keogh [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:28 am ]
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The problem with whether a coach is a fantastic coach is based too much on whether they were a great player and their name and the structure of the ladder to climb to get to the top. The only way Silvangi will find out whether he can coach good is to dip his toe in the country for a couple of years.This doesnt happen much as it is assistant roles at AFL that are the stepping stones to a top coaching job. To be a good coach you need heaps of skills in a number of different areas.Very few footballers have the whole package.The other slight problem is that there are only 16 jobs on the go and some guys are overrated in their jobs and should of been given the arse years ago.No names needed here. I cant see SOS packing Jo and the kids and moving to Horsham for the year so he wont know how good he is as a head coach until he gets a job (No pun intended here) I could not believe Teflon Terry Wallace was given a 5 year deal to coach as well. How he left the doggies showed me that as a person he thinks he can do what he likes and people below him just say yes.Coaches have to rule but players have to like him as well Some blokes with question marks on their characters can be super coaches but seemed destined to not get a top gig because their reputation is on the hooter.The best example is Phil Carman who took a ratshit Sturt team to the finals and can coach.Micky McGuane is another who has had great success at Burnie and Gisborne.At least he has put his foot in the door at the Saints and could out coach Thomas easily. I havent read the article by Walls because this is the guy who tipped the Cats to finish somewhere down the bottom in 2005.I always feel that Roberto has hidden agendas when he says or writes anything. Can SOS COACH.Well we dont know but If he has any aspirations to do it I suggest he tries his hand in the bush which is unlikely.Or maybe he will end up at the Timmy Watson school of coaching.

Author:	verbs [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:23 am ]
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'99 prelim. Three quarter time address.

Author:	dannyboy [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:30 am ]
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Interesting, doesn't suit your agenda so he must be denigrated. What's next, 'SOS was the main reason we were caught and pounished?' Sometimes the similarity between your need to character assasinate and John Elliott's is astounding. By all mean's prefer a different coach but offer your views on the other coach rather than bagging an alternative - far more constructive.

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Author:	Synbad [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:24 am ]
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verbs wrote: '99 prelim. Three quarter time address. Four years on ch 10 boring the hell out of the viewers....

Author:	verbs [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:30 am ]
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Synbad wrote: verbs wrote: '99 prelim. Three quarter time address. Four years on ch 10 boring the hell out of the viewers.... It's such a limited and meaningless guide it holds very little weight what-so-ever.

Author:	camel [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:42 am ]
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Synbad wrote: â€¦GET VOSS!!! NOW!!!!.. one year as an assistant and in... And if we can't get Voss, get Buckley! Or both.

Author:	jim [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:44 am ]
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keogh wrote: The problem with whether a coach is a fantastic coach is based too much on whether they were a great player and their name and the structure of the ladder to climb to get to the top. The only way Silvangi will find out whether he can coach good is to dip his toe in the country for a couple of years.This doesnt happen much as it is assistant roles at AFL that are the stepping stones to a top coaching job. To be a good coach you need heaps of skills in a number of different areas.Very few footballers have the whole package.The other slight problem is that there are only 16 jobs on the go and some guys are overrated in their jobs and should of been given the arse years ago.No names needed here. I cant see SOS packing Jo and the kids and moving to Horsham for the year so he wont know how good he is as a head coach until he gets a job (No pun intended here) I could not believe Teflon Terry Wallace was given a 5 year deal to coach as well. How he left the doggies showed me that as a person he thinks he can do what he likes and people below him just say yes.Coaches have to rule but players have to like him as well Some blokes with question marks on their characters can be super coaches but seemed destined to not get a top gig because their reputation is on the hooter.The best example is Phil Carman who took a ratshit Sturt team to the finals and can coach.Micky McGuane is another who has had great success at Burnie and Gisborne.At least he has put his foot in the door at the Saints and could out coach Thomas easily. I havent read the article by Walls because this is the guy who tipped the Cats to finish somewhere down the bottom in 2005.I always feel that Roberto has hidden agendas when he says or writes anything. Can SOS COACH.Well we dont know but If he has any aspirations to do it I suggest he tries his hand in the bush which is unlikely.Or maybe he will end up at the Timmy Watson school of coaching. The champion footballer does not always become a champion coach and that's the same in any sport. Look at the great Australian swimming team, you've never heard of those coaches as champion swimmers, not one. Same with track & field. A large percentage of AFL coahes are scrubby, hard working, back pocket players or of a similar ilk. Those who have to think and work hard to get the most out of their game. This often transforms into the ability to coach due to devloped smarts and respect from you're peers. You have playing talent due to what comes out of the eye of your father's "whatsit" at conception. Doesn't necessarily mean you're smart or can communicate well, you're just highly talented. The great player automatically becoming the great coach is a great fallacy. At both end of the scale it naturally doesn't always work out this way as I've described but it does often. Coaching and playing ability does not necessary run along the same lines, different abilities involved.

Author:	CarltonClem [ Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:46 am ]
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It's not just about communication. It's about earning players' respect. At the moment, I don't think Pagan has some of the players' respect. I could be wrong, I am purely speculating. However, I will hold off judgment until Sunday. Good coaches would instil confidence in the group. I will give Pagan this though. He has openly expressed hope in the players at the club for the first time since he took over, not just this 'moving forward' crap but actually said we have a good base from which to work from. This opposed to what Collo and Denis did saying 'we need better players' which, yes, although we do, what kind of effect does that have on the playing group?