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The midfield.

The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals.

The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards.

Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so.

Wojee wrote:

Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint.

Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football.

Andain wrote:

Where did they line up though? If they're on a half back flank then their priority is to negate their immediate opponent.
Chambers didn't seem to get much game time when compared to Stevens, who was flogged by Crowley early, and Kouta, who had very modest output.

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

Andain wrote:

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Wojee wrote:

Andain wrote:

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

He played more of a link man role, and he got plenty of his own ball. But you're right, he didn't exactly set the world on fire when he had possession.

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Wojee wrote:

Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint.

Andain wrote:

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Wojee wrote:

Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint.

Plus Hartlett who has a helluvalot more to offer up forward and downback than Deluca!

At least the alleged blacklisted player can kick the skin off the ball and roost it 70 metres!

Andain wrote:

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Wojee wrote:

Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint.

Plus Hartlett who has a helluvalot more to offer up forward and downback than Deluca!

At least the alleged blacklisted player can kick the skin off the ball and roost it 70 metres!

Andain wrote:

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Wojee wrote:

Andain wrote:

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Kouta had 10 contested possessions. So did Houla.

Wojee wrote:

Andain wrote:

Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Kouta had 10 contested possessions. So did Houla.

Kouta was sadly out of touch and showed very little interest intrying to tackle, chase, spoil etc. I was surprised to see his stats.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:40 pm ]
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After tonight's game, I'd suggest the following should be discussed at selection this week: DeLuca: totally ineffective, not really sure why we played him at Subiaco. Bring on Bryan or Kennedy. Chambers: Looks great when he gets space and runs, just never gets space and runs Sporn: I'll get a hiding for this, called him hopeless during the week and was crucified. Does a lot of good things, but for every good thing there's a turnover, dropped chest mark, etc. Too slow also. Not a fan at all.

Author:	KoRn [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:44 pm ]
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stuff Sporn! yes he had a few kicks tonight, but that's because he doesn't have a role tonight and the opposition team doesn't bother puting a player on him. He's on our list for 5 years now and has he improve? He certainly hasn't grown any muscles, he's not gonna improve much so why still waste time on him, play blackwell or russell instead please!

Author:	markj [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:49 pm ]
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we could directly swap these players with no noticeable change deluca > bryan chambers > russell (or even wiggo) sporn > teague or bannister jeez we missed fish tonight .. comeback soon fish ! .. go fish .. .. go blues ..

Author:	Wojee [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:50 pm ]
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The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:53 pm ]
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Wojee wrote: The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so. Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint.

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Author:	Andain [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:10 pm ]
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Navy Blue Horse wrote: Wojee wrote: The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so. Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint. Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football.

Author:	Wojee [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:15 pm ]
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Andain wrote: Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football. Where did they line up though? If they're on a half back flank then their priority is to negate their immediate opponent. Chambers didn't seem to get much game time when compared to Stevens, who was flogged by Crowley early, and Kouta, who had very modest output.

Author:	Andain [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:22 pm ]
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Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football. Where did they line up though? If they're on a half back flank then their priority is to negate their immediate opponent. Chambers didn't seem to get much game time when compared to Stevens, who was flogged by Crowley early, and Kouta, who had very modest output. I define midfielders a little differently then most. Midfielders for me include people who play in the middle (including rucks, wings, ect) roving HBFs like Lappin or Walker, and roving HFFs like Paul Chapman. They all play a similar role in the side. Some are defensive and some are offensively orientated but they're all midfielders. If Chambers and Sporn were any good they could've replaced Stevens in the midfield and given him a rest like most backup midfielders do in every other side in the league. Chamber and Sporn just aren't good enough. Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball.

Author:	Wojee [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:27 pm ]
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Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Author:	Andain [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:31 pm ]
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Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game. He played more of a link man role, and he got plenty of his own ball. But you're right, he didn't exactly set the world on fire when he had possession.

Author:	Wojee [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:32 pm ]
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Andain wrote: Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game. He played more of a link man role, and he got plenty of his own ball. But you're right, he didn't exactly set the world on fire when he had possession. Which was the story of the entire midfield.

Author:	Kouta [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:34 pm ]
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Andain wrote: Navy Blue Horse wrote: Wojee wrote: The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so. Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint. Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football. Plus Hartlett who has a helluvalot more to offer up forward and downback than Deluca! At least the alleged blacklisted player can kick the skin off the ball and roost it 70 metres!

Author:	4thchicken [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:39 pm ]
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JuzzCarlton wrote: Andain wrote: Navy Blue Horse wrote: Wojee wrote: The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so. Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint. Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football. Plus Hartlett who has a helluvalot more to offer up forward and downback than Deluca! At least the alleged blacklisted player can kick the skin off the ball and roost it 70 metres! Is hartlett THAT player? or just speculation on your part?

Author:	Conundrum [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:56 pm ]
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JuzzCarlton wrote: Andain wrote: Navy Blue Horse wrote: Wojee wrote: The midfield. The forwards rely on the midfield for delivery. No good delivery = no marks = no goals. The backs rely on the pressure the midfield can exert on opposition players running the ball down the corridoor. No pressure = lace out passes to the opposition forwards. Crucify our forwards and backs if you must, but at least take the midfield into account when you do so. Agree with that, but I reckon the three I named continually disappoint. Chambers and Sporn are part of the midfield. Hacks both of them and we won't improve as a side until they're both, along with Deluca, playing in the VFL where they belong. I can't wait for Blackwell, Russell, Setanta and Kennedy to be fully ready for AFL senior football. Plus Hartlett who has a helluvalot more to offer up forward and downback than Deluca! At least the alleged blacklisted player can kick the skin off the ball and roost it 70 metres! I also heard on the grapevine about the blacklisted player. Pagan got a call from Senantor Joe McCarthy alerting him to the communist infiltration of the Team and singled out a player with communist sympathies. Until he names the players who are playing under the guise of footballers from within the club he will have to stick it out in the magoos.

Author:	Pafloyul [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:11 am ]
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When will people on the internet finally learn that 'than' and 'then' are two completely different words? It is driving me stark-raving mad!!

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Author:	BlueWorld [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:11 am ]
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Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game. Kouta had 10 contested possessions. So did Houla.

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:13 am ]
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BlueWorld wrote: Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game. Kouta had 10 contested possessions. So did Houla. Kouta's kicking was as bad as I have ever seen it tonight, got a bit of it, but coughed it up a lot.

Author:	Wojee [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:13 am ]
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BlueWorld wrote: Wojee wrote: Andain wrote: Kouta's game is apparently underrated. He wasn't brilliant but he got plenty of the ball. I'm not denying he got plenty of touches, but for mine he didn't have a huge impact on the game. Kouta had 10 contested possessions. So did Houla. Can you elaborate on your point?

Author:	Ponkstar [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:23 am ]
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Kouta was sadly out of touch and showed very little interest intrying to tackle, chase, spoil etc. I was surprised to see his stats. I agree re Deluca - send him back to the Ants. Sporn was okay and though every time he got it I cringed he only really clanged it once or twice, which is better percentage than Stevens, Whitnall and Lappin, who gave away a goal by kicking it into the man on the mark.

Author:	BlueWorld [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:32 am ]
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Ponkstar wrote: Kouta was sadly out of touch and showed very little interest intrying to tackle, chase, spoil etc. I was surprised to see his stats. Yet he had 5 tackles (equal highest in the team with Carrazzo).