A charge for the finals, or a charge for the flag? I believe there is a difference.

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Well camelboy , games are meaningful to win when youre clearly the better side and youre not pinching the odd game here and there when the other team is down.
Games are meaningful when you can go to the footy and you can say youre a chance to create a meaningful season for yourself.
Games are meaningful to win when youre no longer relying on early picks to rebuild a side and bring in enough REAL TAALEMT into your football side that youre supporters dont get smashed on the down the week after you steal a win.

Just so you can understand how far off the pace we are.. have you checked our percentage lately???

That tells me where were at compared to the other teams... and with the draft being the only real blood line to talent winning meaningless games robs us of real sustained improvement.
Which means were winning meaningless games....

When we have enough REAL talent.. the losses will get less heavy and then we will win begin to win more than we lose.. and sometimes roll the good sides in an avelanche of goals.. all building to a creshendo...

At the moment were just trying to find players worthy of making up a team that can really go forwards....

Were miles away from winning.

For example last year we won 10 meaningless games because they mean nothing this year and we missed out on the cream of the talent.. which means we didnt improve as much with our talent vase as we could have.

So because the games mean nothing in their overall context.. they were meaningless wins.

If we win 2 more games in junk time against more rabble and lose Marc Murhy and 2 top 3 picks its been meaningless...

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The priority pick system has to be taken over a 2 year period. That will take into account a poor year with injuries or the Melbourne scenario of 1 good year/bad year.
11 wins or maybe even 12. Doing badly might be tolerated for 1 year but to do it for 2 years will cost some footballers/administrators and coaches there jobs. (unless you are employed by the Blues).

Charge for the finals.

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They cant kill the game off... because you can put a spin on anything....

and how can they be killing off the game if theyre getting record numbers through the gates and on tv????

Were less passionate.... ask StKilda supporters if theyre less passionate.. or Bulldogs supporters.

Look at the big picture.

The new system has opened the doors for clubs that didnt have a snowflakes chance in hell under the old system...

The bright side is were now one of those clubs... broke and a shit list but we can improve pretty quickly and give ourselves a chance pretty soon if we do all the right things.

Were looking back to the past.

Like old people who think new music is crap....

But new people like new music and thats why music changes but it still sells.

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Sounds about right to me too.




Yeah our percentage is shizen and has been for years now. It is scary, I agree.

Now, I didn't say that I thought we were on the pace. I just wanted to know your definition of "meaningful". Just because I may ask you to explain something doesn't mean I don't understand our current plight, it just means that I'm looking for an answer to a question.

I asked this question because from a lot of your posts I was beginning to think that even if we were a capable side that might be having a poor year, rather than a poor side having a good year (eg. 2004), that you'd still be advocating the tank. I guess I just wanted to hear your thoughts on when we should be wanting to win.

I know we're a poor side right now, but in a few years we should be much better and I believe at that point we should be busting a gut week in week out.

I think you're as confused about my thoughts as I am!

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I am thinking long-term Synners. When people have tried the artificial roller coaster system a few times and find out that the competition is contrived it might just turn a few people off....... The system has just started - I am thinking in generational terms - 20 years or so. As I said, I have no problem helping weaker clubs etc. - but they are going too far IMO. There has to be the ability to be successfull by being a good club that manages its affairs really well.

mikkey in 20 years time... kids that are 20 wont know about the recruiting zones of the past they will only know about whatever confines the game is played in at the time.
Not many 14 year old kids would hjave heard of the VFL or Fitzry either... they mereley dont exist...


You work to the best of your ability within the borders of what youre allowed to do do. (ie the system)

Take StKilda fo4r example.. you have to gove them credit. They are kicking goals on and off the field. They about to have another 1 million dollar profit and they have the best list in the AFL.
Thats called "managing their affairs really well"

The past is just the past... we used to be good and now were not!!!
No good bitching about the system.. you use the system.. because if youre too busy bitching it and fighting it youre falling behind.. because you can ONLY work within whatever system you happen to be playing in...

So lets get to it shall we???

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I have not said we should not use the system - of course we should...

I still maintain that the AFL is long term playing a dangerous game. League Football is a good example. Different circumstances - but from what I have seen they have made some bad decisions solely for money reasons and forgot about the fabric of the game. This has affected the "passion" of the supporter base and I think they are in a downward trend.

There crowds this year are way up and they are just about to or have already signed a huge television deal.

Football is no longer a sport its a business.
Thats why chasing priority picks isnt bad...

Yes it is flirting with danger but unless people find something better to do its still number 1 entertainment in Australia and always will be.

People overall are happier today with footy than 20 years ago.. hence the crowds.

Even though the powerful clubs are at the bottom.

There is enough money in football to make the game bigger.

Its the VFL thats shrinking... thats cos noone is interested in grass roots stuff..

Everyone wants to read Who Magazine and what David Beckham is doing...

Not Nick Sautner...

Thats how it goes... and as long as kids want to be the best in the biggest comp in the biggest game in the land it will always be thriving.

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I hate the current system because im not unhappy that we didnt win.

What make me really angry is that next week when i go watch Carlton V Collingwood and where in the last quarter and were up by a goal will i be thinking of a PP or Carlton winning.

The day that i will be happy for Carlton to lose to Collingwood the team i hated for 28 years of my life will be a very sad sad day dont care about PP i just want to beat collingwood please Carlton beat the bloody PIES.

Are you talking NRL? My impression is that they have lost a lot of ground to other codes / sports in recent years. Especially Union.

The current system might be the reason we dont not win a flag over the next 50 years.. why hate it???

Oh thats right!!!... cos you want to win a meaningless game against another insignificant club at present.

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That might be the general impression but there crowds this year are way up and they signed a new television deal which I think was at 60 million a year before and has been raised to 100 million. I can find some articles on this if you want but I read this stuff about a month ago.
They have clearly done a terrible job with the game with the whole super league and everything else. But people still love the game and it has bounced back.

Are ST-kilda winning meaningless games now . by your theory every game is meaningless unless you win the premiership. So what if you have a great list doesnt mean you are gauranteed to win the big one.

Why are we following the lead of a team that hasnt won a premiership in over sixty years.

Why is PP the best way to go?

the PP system hasnt won any team a flag.

StKilda have the tools to win a premiership.
Not every club is playing in insignificant games... just the ones who dont have a chance of winning a premiership.

(You know??? like us Collingwood.. Essendon*...)
Yesterdays heros...

The Beatles of the AFL....

Yes, yes most gold records, most number 1 hits sometimes you hear the songs if you can tune into Gold FM ...but not fashionable anymore...........

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Here is a bit of an article from last month

Gallop secures $500m TV deal
Brent Read and Stuart Honeysett
July 02, 2005
YESTERDAY's $500 million television windfall was a show of confidence in the game, according to the NRL.

But it warned it would resist the temptation to pass the money straight on to the players in the form of a significant salary cap increase.

The new deal with commercial broadcaster Channel Nine and pay-TV operator Fox Sports comes into effect from 2007, stretches over six years and is a hefty increase on the existing contract which is worth a mere $48 million a season.

Ill tell you what cant win you a flag... a team with the least talent...
PPs can bring you talent???

Agree???

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