Perhaps we could have one thread with some football conversation in it? I thought the initial post provided a 'fair' insight into the club - especially the comments re AW. I know it's the off-season and people always go a little crazy with rumours, etc, but instead of football talk all we seem to have on this website is personal attacks and the same opinions repeated in every thread no matter what the topic is.

No, I was implying there has been minimal leadership from them.

And, yes, subsequently, no positive response from the lesser lights.

That's why I said:




Just my opinion.

And... what I am saying is that we do have some leadership. We just don't have enough of it.

As an aside just because a player wants more money than the club is willing to pay it doesn't mean that they are a bad leader. Every player in every club wants as much money as they can get. Football these days is big business and there is a lot of money around. Just ask Aaron Hamill, Jade Rawlings, Jason Akermanis, Shannon Grant and James Bartel. They all want money. Some are worth it and some are not. Some get it at their current club and some leave to get it elsewhere. That is a whole new topic I know.

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Running out on the ground from the tunnel in indian file behind Kouta to the banner is not leadership shown by Kouta.....

What do you mean we have leadership but not enough of it????

There is no leadership just people in a leadership group....
Leaaders do whats best for the team and the footy club to go forward...

Give me examples!!!!...


work ethic?
Body crashing???
Bonding?
salary cuts?
motivation?
pride?
instilling a sense of bulletproofness?
protecting the younger ones?
taking on the difficult roles?
backing up the coach?
acccountability???

What are they doing??

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I think St Kilda discovered the importance of leadership tonight. Without it you fail when it matters most no matter how talent laden you suposedly are.

We ate carlton expect finals and so we think in terms of finals. No one here sees a team capable of winning finals becuase we lack leadership - in fact to me this is the single really lacking quality at our club. Not the middle tier, not the kids, not even our defense. In the end we have no true leaders and (as St Kilda are discovering) true leaders are not just your best players, they are blokes than in the heat step up, that in fact relish the heat, seek it. A leader is a bloke like Kirk.

Kouta as good as he is (but lets not get carried away with our Best and fairest voting system - I mean 50 votes a game in my mind sort of ensures the blokes who play the most win it - gee that wouldn't be our senior players would it?) is not a leader, or not often enough for my liking. Though compared to capom he is streets ahead.

I agree fev should be doing more as a leader, of the whole group he is the most natural leader and i think this is why the club has perserved so long with Fev, not his talent but his leadership is desperately needed at Carlton.
I think they may have decided it is never going to eventaute, that puts Fev in a precarious position.

Lance has too many faults to ever be a leader like the club expected. he needs to simply conduct himself as best he can to have impact on games - that's nough for now.

So we have all these kids coming through but no leaders helping them. Seriously, none. This is the club's real dilemma, no SOS no Sticks, No Deisal or Rats or Brown or Braddles and so on. This club must address this issue if it hopes to become a powerhouse again.

How? So we can go with kids through the draft but that will not be enough. You guys bagging Wiggo and Livo and Spornie and so on - but these guys are trying to learn in a vacuum (think Goddard at St Kilda - though his is a coaching vacuum) - its stupid and we will lose far too mnay kids along the way. So gather lots of picks to cater for the fall out.

The alternative is to try and find a leader or two from a pre-existing club but to do that we need to trade and Liuvo, Wiggo etc will not deliver these kids of blokes. Our top 4 pick would but damned if i want to see that hamnded over so we are left with Campo, Lance, Skinny or Fev. Campo isn't wanted, skinny will not draw much so that leaves Fev and Lance. i am willing to sacrifice either or both these blokes to gain a player or two with expereince (not too old though) and talent and most of all leadership.

These leaders with Stevo, French, Fish and Waite then assume control of the club with Kouta as the face still for the kiddies and we begin the climb back.

naive, maybe, but I fear this endless simply standing still waiting for Kouta to retire, Campo to retire and who, who to step up? Meanwhile many of our kids will fall by the wayside.

there is a reason why great clubs have great leaders - its a chicken and egg thing.

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Yes Dee Boy.........

don't forget good Welders too...........!


kindest regartds tommi

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There was a key moment during the season, which typified the lack of leadership at our club. When playing against the Bulldogs in Darwin, Chris Bryan kicked his first goal in AFL football during his second or third game.

How many 'team'mates ran over to acknowledge him?

NONE.

Surely at a time such as that, at the very least, Koutoufides (who was nearby) should have at least said something positive to his novice colleague. The fact we were getting beaten by nine goals was irrelevant.

There is a rotten culture around our club at the moment where responsibility is concerned, and that incident was a glaring example.

Geez you smell familiar...

We were being told just a few months ago that Luke Ball was one of the most inspirational 'leaders' in any club.

Leadership is in the eye of the beholder and fluctuates from week to week yet people on here talk about it like it is a given and they know exactly how much 'leadership' each player has just by looking at them.

I suppose you can all bend spoons just using your mind as well.

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Wasn't somebody mentioning that Kosi would be a gun recruit for $500 000 as well. At least our $500 000 club get on the park.

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leadership is like a great piece of art, mightn't be easy to explain, but you know it when you see it.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

And over the years we have been blessed by many "Masterpieces'

A fair shadow to have to walk in.

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verbs, thats only a bit of the painting.

if you have a look at the whole painting, and squint, you can quite clearly see Marc Murphy in it.

true story

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We should get someone to make up one of those 'magic-eye' pictures with Marc Murphy in it.

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Blue Poles is better than that Black white and red poles picture

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

16 times better

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I found a four-leaf clover and if your look into the centre of it long enough you see marc's face!!!!!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

YOU TOO?????

check out the Sistine Chapel next time you're in Italy... and the Shroud of Turin.

And check out satelite photos of the Moon. Who's face is that, I wonder????

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