I am not an accountant, so I dont know the appropriate balance sheet category.

But I do know its an extra financial burden, unless the afl compensates interstate clubs for the extra travel (???)

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Afl subsidies all travel costs

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Go Blues

Not a financial burden.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

So basically it seems like we agree. The AFL "investment" in Port Adelaide is no longer needed then. Carlton is not needed to fund their development any more. Objective achieved. Port have bigger membership, bigger crowds & are a bigger and better club. I agree that that objective has been achieved.



Port Adelaide are wealthy and strong enough now not to need AFL financial assistance year after year. You seem to agree that the funding should stop now.


What is pleasing is that there were plenty of grants and funding etc for the Adelaide Oval move, Isn't that "good for the game"***? meanwhile watch Carlton get roasted next year in the MCG/Etithad deal.

On an aside, football department spending. Port spent 16.3 million in 2013, Carlton just over 20 million. It isn't a massive difference and the AFL has done all possible to make sure Port gets ahead.


*** the only thing that I think is "good for the game" is Carlton winning. It seems clear that people in AFL House have a different opinion.

List Management?

I think if we are searching for reasons like financial help the AFL has given to North and Port to justify our current lowly position, we are never going to go anywhere. How about asking how we managed to go from the greatest club, the best off field and on field to the mediocrity we have become? Totally from our own bad decisions. Failure to understand drafting. It has been in for almost 30 years and we are still close to the worst club at it. Not understanding the importance of supporters, taking them for granted and losing membership. Lack of young supporters. Shocking financial decisions. Forget whinging about what Port gets from the AFL. The Hawks were going to become Melbourne 15 years or so ago. Now they are the AFL powerhouse. What are we doing about getting to there? Port are certainly way ahead of us as a club and so are more than half the league. Lets learn from those doing better, and think of our own ideas instead of trying to copy others. Lets become great again by being smarter, not the moribund old dinosaur we have been. Be patient, draft really well, develop players, connect with supporters. Our long term future is at stake. If we are ordinary for long enough we will never get out of it. The time is now for a genuine detailed five year plan with substance across the whole club that will make us successful again. For 15 years now we seem to have been rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

If any post needs a round of applause this is it.

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+1

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I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
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i give up then Doc

Where is it found on the Balance Sheet

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we know that the AFL doesnt even want a fair competition. Everything it does is orchestrated and pre planned. Its about market share, expansionism and corporate greed (even though the AFL calle itself a non-for profit organsiation - lol - a charity like the Catholic Church or Care Australia

the AFL even tries to sweep team doping scandals under the rug.

But OUR poor performance as a club over the past decade rests at our feet.
thats part of the problem - blaming outside factors.

We will never move forward if we continue to do that

The Hawks and the Cats have adapted as well as the Pies

The Kangaroos do as well as can be expected for the resources they have.

The Blues??

what are we going to do if Mick doesnt fire the team up early int he 2015 season?

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Travel is an expense and therefore appears in a Profit & Loss statement not a Balance Sheet.
Two things may happen;
AFL gets billed directly for the travel and pay for it or the travelling club gets billed, pays for it and then gets reimbursed.

I see...

So a company's balance sheet doesnt list the expenses and revenues etc for any given financial year.

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Great post!

One thing that has caught my eye is that all the teams with biggest memberships 50k+ (Pies, Adelaide, Port, WCE, Haw, Ess, Rich) have one of 2 things in common.

They have one team town status (Adelaide, WCE) or the have huge media representation, i.e Eddie, Kochie and Kennett* as Presidents or Watson, Robbo, Bartlett, Molloy etc

I think that we may be giving too much credit to the administrations of these clubs and we need to also focus our efforts in utilising the carlton supporters in media to help push the message.

Think about it as the speed kills campaign, statistics show that the reduction in road toll doesn't reflect the message, yet if you repeat the message often enough people buy into it.

So the question is how to we tap into our media personalities to take an active role in promoting the club which grows their popularity which in turn will grow ours?

No one is disputing the off field administration has been the worst of all AFL clubs over the last 15 or so years.

How does this justify pitching into Port's coffers? Stuff them l say.

Can't recall any clubs coming to our rescue when we were down & out financially only a decade ago.

Our financial state was our own doing. Went from being a rich club to a broke club by our own hand (depending who you believe about the long term plans for stadiums in victoria) and salary cap cheating.

Thats why we received a loan instead of a handout.

Still trading ok of our own accord, paying 100% of the salary cap and working down our debt.

Port, North, Melbourne etc. wont survive without assistance. Let them go broke, we have a 12 team competition, 1 team in Adelaide and NSW/QLD are stuffed, along with TV rights.

Not difficult to understand.

Doesnt give Port an advantage, it allows them to compete.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

..a league ought to be impartial, if a team would fold, it folds.. ..happens in every sport..

:.Fitzroy must have been part of the axis of evil I guess..

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Didn't fold, changed its name to Brisbane and won three premierships.

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Its not about being impartial.

How do you get $1b in TV rights playing 6 games a week in 2 states, and a game every other week in a 3rd state? Leaving out the biggest tv market in the country?

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

..yep, and lost ten? in the process.... ..don't think I'd follow brissie if I we're a royboy..

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