ive said it before.. we have drafted duds and too many wrong types for the game.

which means mentally or playing wise to execute the kind of theing the game is becoming.. were ok in the contested footy inside now....

we seem to address one thing at a time.. and not the overall goings on

quite amazing

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I have been saying for years they need to draft footballers not projects.
We always seem to have a great big list of project players from Hurlers to soccer players athletes
Rugby players
We need to go to the draft pick kids that have played footy all their life and build a fitness base into them.
Not pick super fit players from other sports and teach them the game

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All very true. But at least at the back end of last year the players seemed to grasp and played within a structure which made us relatively difficult to play against (until the wheels completely fell off when the injury toll climbed - eg the Port Adelaide game).

Looking at what's happened this year, I don't think the failings on field are all down to players. I think the coaches are off the pace as well. Just have a look at the Richmond and Eagles games where the players couldn't even figure their way through a simple defensive press, for entire quarters. Sure you'd like the players to execute better, but a coach has to prepare them to deal with that. It's hardly a surprise tactic.

Like I said, right now we're very easy to play against, and in my mind that's a question of coaching and preparation.

What's the fascination with B Bolton?
Because he's at Hawthorn and used to be a school teacher too???
Because he smiles and Mick doesn't?

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I'm not sure either. He won a few games with the best list in the league. and after seeing a few Hawthorn session last preseason, believe me - Clarkson has got that list pretty much coaching itself. I saw two intraclubs where the players were coaching themselves e.g. Mitchell and Hodge were the two playing coaches for the session.

Not to suggest he's no good, but he's in a rather unique environment.

Parkin has stated many times that the 95 team coached itself. If you have a superior list with loads of "old heads" / leaders its not very difficult. I really wonder why everybody here belittles Malthouse. It's the freaking list management over 10 years thats the problem.

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I think 'not difficult' is pushing it a little. Having talented older players is great, but there is still the challenge for the coach to create an environment where the players take ownership in a constructive sense as opposed to a selfish/destructive sense.

But in the case of hawthorn, Clarkson for all his personal faults has created an environment that has improved after they lost their most talented player and suffered no significant decline in performance when he himself was absent for an extended period. Highly impressive stuff, obviously.

I hope my comments aren't coming across as belittling Mick. I think his appointment was correct, and he should get a lot of credit for pushing through the list changes we've undertaken to date (god knows the previous coach/list management team were criminally negligent in that regard). That said, he must accept his share of responsibility for how poorly prepared the players have been this season. Where in our coaching staff is a young, fresh face just out of the game from a different environment? Mick's got his mates around him, probably because he felt burnt by what happened with Buckley, and while on a human level that's understandable, I question whether that approach is compromising the effectiveness of instruction to the playing group now. It's frightening how far off the pace we are in terms of style of play, and how easily dictated to we are within each game.

Excellent post. Less hyperbole and more sanity. It is so hard to comment too much from afar. I wasn't going to any games when I am back in June/July but I will now to see how the structures on the field are going and taking a first hand look at the players. Be keen to observe their body language - do they believe?

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Totally agree with the sentiments on this thread.
Mick, at the very least has delivered honesty in player assessment and list management. He may not have picked the players but he has been the catalyst in delivering Byrne, Docherty, Everitt, Jacksch.
Mick can not institute an attacking game plan with the list at his disposal. You need more in the ilk of Byrne, Rainbow and Bokeheurst
The football department needs control over appointment of assistants. Mick shouldn't choose his own
This is too daunting a task for a young, untried coach. Clarkson and Hinkley had the cattle when they started. Clarkson turns up and season 1 gets Franklin, Roughead, Lewis. He has Hodge and mitchell as multi year players. We don't have 1 "A" grader. The die was cast on our current position in 2012. You could see there was nothing coming through and long list of players that had peaked
I would give mick 3 years. Let him do the heavy lifting and assess. I doubt football politics will allow him the 5-10 years it takes to deliver ultimate success. I don't need to like my coach. I need to respect him. We need his experience and toughness. Maybe the Yarran punch for all that was wrong about it, was a "green shoot". Right now, win, lose or draw I want players that will stand up and not shirk

Rubbish

This rebuild requires someone to be given 5+ years to shape the list. All coaches run out of ideas and lose touch with the game. Remember Carlton has had experience with that (Pagan) but have gone ahead and made the same mistake.

Remember this:

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The club can't afford to have Malthouse there for another 3-5 years. For player development, for membership, for any hope of success.

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thats the dilemma the club is in.... a new coach rebuilding as a rookie... wont be capable of standing the heat at Carlton...

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Lyon has embraced nothing; still counter-attacking from HB. If the opposition stupidly pushes up when they don't have a decent overlap then he'll look like a highly attacking genius simply because his players will stream forward.

They won't run out the season playing the way they did yesterday.

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I agree that we [REDACTED] up a lot of our picks.

I know you disliked Ratten, but given what he had to work with and the fact he did coach an attacking brand of footy, was he really as bad as you painted him?

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also! he's way too short to lead our famous club.

of course he was... he didnt provide leadership, steel or the modern game...
he was one dimensional.
his direction for culture led to what we see now....

and i think youll find the players will grow a backbone from this week

Ratts relied on a handful of very good footballers.. and forgot about rejuvenation...

As did the club as a whole... including McKay.. he should never escape scrtiny...

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mckay ... we need to ship him to siberia or somewhere as equally out of the way.

Even he lamented our defensive work rate and the games and margins it cost us. Tried to draft blokes to play roles to stem the tide.

Malthouse wants it instilled in the team, I see that as an improvement. Hopefully he's still a capable communicator at the individual level, because the line coaches appear to be @#$%&! it up at the moment.

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This guy somehow escapes any sort of criticism. I don't know about many of you, but when Icke left, things started to go progressively downhill from there.

on one hand mckay was mates with ratts... when he left he was totally submissive and dominated by mick.
pure and smilple neither time was he fulfilling why hes there....

thats about checks and balances.. and a grip on the footy dept..

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In Sept they will be playing finals, we will be pondering who to take with pick 3.