I'm glad you understand me!

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dane's trolling again

You actually make a good point. Guys like those are very good players and first rounders. With pick 7 we could of had either of them or Ahern, Duggan, Weller etc.

Which is better? Jaksch/BB/Whiley or one of the above. Early picks give you a better chance of getting A grade talent. It's what we lack. We need early picks.

Has there been any other scenarios like that that have worked well before? This is why clubs are reluctant to trade these picks.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

To put it another way. If we trade Henderson & Yarran (for example) for picks 10 & 12 and we finish 2nd last.

We have picks 2, 10, 12, 20, 38, 56 plus a couple more more.

Based on last years selections we could have players such as

Petracca
Cockatoo
Ellis
LaVerde
Gregson
Smith

Would we be happy with that at the start of a rebuild and adding them to Docherty, Cripps, Menzel, Kruezer, Murphy & Gibbs?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

And yet plenty of posters want to trade out our number one draft picks.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Cant see how we can adequately assess pick 7 for effectively Jaksch Whiley and Bokehorst at the moment given we are not even halfway through their first season with Carlton
Club has made a number of drafting and trading busts but too premature to judge on this one yet - particularly when these young men come into a team that lacks confidence ,lacks leadership and its senior players seem to pick and choose when theywant to play hard and tough AFL footy

In my view we will win out with this trade I think all will be good provided they are developed in the right way and understand their role in a modern game plan

Yarren and Henderson respectively have more valuable than picks 10, 12.
I'd be expect to reasonable fringe player too for either .
Let's go steady our trade options would be in demand for the right time challenging top 4 and are a class act when up and running.
Ciao

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The biggest issue facing the club with regards to the list are the unknowns
Large amount of players we just don't seem to know about and none seem to be yelling out pick me
Buckley
Boekhurst
Rainbow
Jaksch
Giles
Holman
Sheehan
Tutt
Whiley
Smith
Foster
Gowers
Johnson
Dick
Graham
Walsh
Fields
Byrne
Russell
Dick

Its a fair chunk of the list and when you
add the busts to them Warnock Watson Jones
Add the 1 in 5 gamers Armfield white Everitt Casboult Touhy ellard
the injury prone - Menzel Hendo Kruezer Thomas
the OK but not brilliant curnow Walker Rowe Bell Wood
The ageing Carrots Simpson Judd jamison

It only leaves you with Murph Gibbs Yarran Cripps Docherty and people talk about trading a couple of them

We really need to get to know the unknowns pretty quickly

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I blame our player development.

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dane's trolling again

It's one issue in amongst a number of issues. Cripps & Docherty are the ones I see as the future. The rest are up for grabs IMO if it helps us move forward.

The problem is we have so many deficencies in our list and at the club. List Management, Recruiting, Coaching, Development and Fitness all need dramatic improvement and one isn't more important than the other. It's a massive task but we need to start getting things right bit by bit.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Sydney agree with your post but hopefully that I what next 12 or so weeks is about

Disappointing the injuries to Sheehan and byrne both look likely and would have been good given the season we are having to get more games in them if they were not injured

Buckley and Graham just haven't in my view been given enough senior experience to be able to tell - need a run of senior games and NOT with the green vest on

I think Bell was in a similar position a couple of years ago

Some of the others Jaksch Whiley bokehorst Smith also need game time but wouldn't want the club pulling the trigger on any of them after such a short time at carlton- all I think will be players

As for the others that haven't played yet - hopefully will get sometime to review them
In my view Everett Tuohy and Casboult are better than one in five but ellard white and Armfield are definitely on the fringe

I reckon most if not all of these will stay so they will have this year and probably next to prove themselves. There is only so much we can turn over.

If we trade 2 of our better players, retire Carrazzo & Judd then delist Ellard Holman Warnock Watson maybe Giles (to rookie) there is not a lot more we can do in one year. I'd get rid of Jones, Tutt & Dick but being contracted I am not sure we can afford it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

No point having elite talent if you are lazy and only put in when it suits I.e Gibbs.

Flick him and hopefully with some better recruiting bring in the next batch with desire as well as talent.

This is exactly what I DON'T want to hear!!!!

The senior players are the exact problems we are currently having. Bunch of overpaid lazy hacks that never played 4 quarters of footy in their entire career (besides Judd and Thomas).

I don't want our young kids to learn from them. They are a bad influence.

I agree KoRn they don't seem to get it.

According to the 'contract tracker thread' the following do not have a contract beyond 2015 therefore everyone else on the list is safe unless they agree to be traded.

The 2015 de-listings must come from these players:
Andrejs Everitt
Andrew Carrazzo
Cameron Giles
Chris Judd
David Ellard
Dennis Armfield
Edward Curnow
Lachlan Henderson
Matthew Kreuzer (RFA)
Matthew Watson
Nicholas Holman
Robert Warnock
Simon White
Tom Bell

I reckon Bell, White, Everitt and Curnow have done enough for an extension, Hendo, Judd and Kruezer up in the air, the rest gone with Army unlucky but may get another chance somewhere along with Warnock.

The following year we get rid of the 2016 boys from this list:
Blaine Boekhorst
Chris Yarran
Clem Smith
Dillon Viojo Rainbow
Dylan Buckley
Jason Tutt
Jayden Foster
Kade Simpson
Kristin Jaksch
Levi Casboult
Mark Whiley
Matthew Dick
Nicholas Graham
Sam Rowe
Troy Menzel
Zach Tuohy

Spot on....our recruitment has been awesome. I have celebrated like a fat man who has turned into a skinny man after each draft. It has been our lack of development who have turned these superstars into spuds.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Yes but his sarcasm is ill directed and serves no purpose. He's not being witty or pertinent.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

I agree.

In 3 years the list of players who have improved is pretty small.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

assuming we end up with 1, 20, 38

trade hendo & 20 for pick 2, and 39

leave us with 1,2 and 39

then look to trade back into second round
say walker and 39 for mid 20 pick

pick weitering, schache and greg clarke

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Hendo won't want to go back to Qld.

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