that's great news if bolton is already running his eyes over the list and making decisions over who he needs, who he wants and who can tell their story walking.

keeping kruezer or a high pick, i don't mind. whatever is better for us to compete and rebuild.

His wasted past they agree on but they still need heart and soul players who give everything for the jumper and they see him as perfect example of what we need at CFC and someone the young ones can follow. In reality , we have not got many of these types at the moment and the ones that don't tow the line will be shipped out. If we can get hold of adelaide's compo pick for dangerfield gibbs will be gone.

I don't see him as a "heart and soul player" as other do. His personality doesn't suit that IMO. He is a very popular character amongst fans and probably amongst teammates. People love the way he goes about it and you can never question his efforts. He's a good player as well.

Personally, if he left I don't think he would be missed in that sense at all. I see a new culture being developed at Carlton with Bolton & SOS with Cripps and a band of new kids coming through.

Like I said it's a situation that we win either way.

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That's the way I see it as well.

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If we end up with five or more top 20 picks this year will forever be known as the Carlton Draught.

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or Carlton Daft

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I totally agree, either way it does not bother me, as long as we get a pick under 5, he does seem to be holding out at the moment.

If he really wants to stay for a fair deal, I'm sure they'll find a way.

If he's fed up and has made up his mind .... then a top 5 pick isn't a bad result.

If someone like Kreuzer is entertaining a trade, then the damage is already done.
Best to focus on fixing the club environment for our next core of young players to ensure they want to stay together.

There are definitely 4 - 5 clubs interested in him!

That's good, especially after the weekend where we made Melbourne bitter.

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Are we certain to get a compensation pick at the start of the first round? What if we get it at the end of the 1st round, would it still be worth while?

More like pale ale us..

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Let's injure a few.

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I don't know about Melbourne Bitter, but I do know Touhy fancies the odd Tooheys.

I love robertbb's new signature!

It's no seanpb but its pretty awesome!

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dane's trolling again

Mid-strength

if MK is off to wbd ,i hope we get compo pik 3 for him and get a 10 yr gun ,meanwhile cam wood pre season training starts 1 month early .

The experience with GWS and GC (and partly Melbourne) clearly shows that going too much with kids you will have problems. Saints and WB made sure they kept a number of their key players. You risk to end up with a very fickle group. To be successful you need a very good ruck man. Kreuzer is not only young enough to be involved in the next "rebound" in a few years, his attitude, resilience and work ethics is important to have when you inject a lot of youth. Also, without him we have to chase for a ruckman. In the draft its a very risky proposition and alternatively we'll again pay overs in either $ or picks to get an established one (ie. Warnock).

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..forgetting the battler types.. ..cloke and pavlich come to mind..

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