I'd be surprised if a list manager and a coach worth their weight in salt rated a list that currently sits 17th on the ladder

Yep, but it's not just where we are placed but our list is of the age you would expect us to be challenging. As good as he is when your best player is 19 you know your list is poor.

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No arguments from me. Our list is very poor. Some bright sparks I am looking forward to seeing develop but overall we are lacking A LOT everywhere.

My original point was just to state that most list management decisions would have already been made by SOS and Bolton won't have the input some are expecting. SOS has the final say. Whether that is right or wrong will remain to be seen.

..I think it's wrong.. ....the coach controls the playing style, and has to develop and deal with the players' personalities too.. ..the list manager doesn't have to deal with the pressure and media wolf pack either.. ..sos has a cushy job on lots of coin..

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If SOS botches the next couple of drafts/trade periods I'm sure he will be under immense pressure. I wouldn't call his job cushy.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Geelong could slip to 12th now with Collingwood, Port and GWS all a chance to leap frog them if Adelaide win next week.

Would be very handy in our potential trade for Hendo.

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Don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight, don't blame it on the good times, blame it on the WIGGINS!

Cushy job, seriously.......lol

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I agree with philosophy. Let the baker bake the bread and all that.

Bolton should be able to articulate the type of players he is looking for to carry out his game plan, then let SOS go out and get them by whatever means necessary.

I've never agreed with coach specific recruiting; get the best players to the club and go from there.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

....as compared to the coach, most definitely.. ..had a bunch of early picks to play wit at the giants, was begged to come back here and is being paid a bloody big amount too.. ..doesn't have to front up to the media, can gut a list to try and score more early picks.... ..lets see what he can do with some later picks for once.. ....but coming in and being shocked at some of the contracts?, he ought to know the way the club works better than most,, squealer that he is.. ....the club's gonna kowtow to him, if it hasn't already.. ..but it's ok, he's been given a lot of power over the club's destiny, more than most list managers I reckon.. ..and a massive contract on little credit.. ..plenty of arm chair recruiters would have done as well as he did at the giants.. ....you can have blind faith in him, but just remember what he did last time the club relied on him to do the right thing by them..

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Pretty sure its density, not destiny... Its the BB era.

ahhh old wounds...

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

..you betcha..!!.. ......I hope sos realises his mistakes will cost bolton his job.. ..three year rebuild?, what a joke..

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Ok, so you don't like SOS....

The coach and list manager are completely intertwined., both will have their first opportunity coming up in the draft and then next season.

If one fails so will the other, it's as black n white as that. I'd say the pressure is immense and shared between them both, they will need to be on the same line let alone the same page, certainly no cushy job!!!

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I actually think a loss like that might force a re-think from Geelong. Not sure they even have a 1st rounder on the table. They are desperate for more young mids and have rocks in their heads if the trade their best pick.

I agree, if they lose next week and other results go certain ways they could end up with pick 6. They won't be trading that so I hope they finish 9th

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

..I don't like the amount of power we've given him, Without the spotlight,, based on very little proven success in a relatively new position for him.. ..he's going to base the rebuild on the back of as man early picks as he can get.. ..which is a lazy, and dangerous tactic.. ....if he's any good, he'll lift the rebuild on the back of second and subsequent draft rounds.... ..gutting a list to nab early draft picks can do a lot of damage to the morale of the playing group.... ..we were a rabble earlier this year on the back of him pushing 'grand sale'.. ....the club has shed plenty of good players over the last few years, before his time sure.. ..but you can't lose good players year after year after year after years and then think it's just a three year rebuild..

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..good point, but clubs do plenty of stupid things.. ..and often deals are so far along that clubs just stupidly sign them off.. ....agreements could be all but finalised, it's happened far too often across the competition..

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..sure.. ..at the end, if it's all turned to crap.. ..he gets to feel a bit of pressure.. ..but he's last in line to feel any pressure, away from the spotlight and media heat.. ....but right now he can do what he wants and the club covers for him by feeding us more pork pies..

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....I don't think it's so clear cut at all.. ..the coach needs to manage their personality.. ....I agree that a savvy coach ought to be able to make talented players work in his systems, ability wise.. ..but he also needs to be able to work with them, and that goes beyond coach tactics and player skillset.. .... ..I think it needs to be a symbiotic working relationship.. ..hopefully next year that's how we go, but this year it's sos or bust..

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