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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:07 pm 
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How do we get Cam Mccarthy now that it is about to be confirmed he wants a trade? Freo obviously front runners.


GWS should ask for a priority pick, they are always losing players. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:43 pm 
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The Vet wrote:
interesting comparisons:

Since 2000:

Brisbane have finished below us 5 times (2010 - 2014). In that time they have won three flags (01,02,03) and been runner up once (04). They have contested 6 final series and have never been last (their worst finish has been second last - this year - their last spoon was 98). They have a win percentage in their last 50 games of 28%.

In the same period, we have finished below them 11 times. We have contested finals series 6 times, been runner up once (2000) and have come second last 2 times (03 and 07) and last 4 times (02, 05, 06 and 15). We have a win percentage in our last 50 games of 29%.

Source: http://afltables.com/afl/afl_index.html


We weren't runners up in 2000.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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this isn't about facts it's about management.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:50 pm 
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bax wrote:
The Vet wrote:
interesting comparisons:

Since 2000:

Brisbane have finished below us 5 times (2010 - 2014). In that time they have won three flags (01,02,03) and been runner up once (04). They have contested 6 final series and have never been last (their worst finish has been second last - this year - their last spoon was 98). They have a win percentage in their last 50 games of 28%.

In the same period, we have finished below them 11 times. We have contested finals series 6 times, been runner up once (2000) and have come second last 2 times (03 and 07) and last 4 times (02, 05, 06 and 15). We have a win percentage in our last 50 games of 29%.

Source: http://afltables.com/afl/afl_index.html


We weren't runners up in 2000.


correct. My bad that was 99. In 2000 we finished second after home and away.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:27 am 
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The Vet wrote:
bax wrote:
The Vet wrote:
interesting comparisons:

Since 2000:

Brisbane have finished below us 5 times (2010 - 2014). In that time they have won three flags (01,02,03) and been runner up once (04). They have contested 6 final series and have never been last (their worst finish has been second last - this year - their last spoon was 98). They have a win percentage in their last 50 games of 28%.

In the same period, we have finished below them 11 times. We have contested finals series 6 times, been runner up once (2000) and have come second last 2 times (03 and 07) and last 4 times (02, 05, 06 and 15). We have a win percentage in our last 50 games of 29%.

Source: http://afltables.com/afl/afl_index.html


We weren't runners up in 2000.


correct. My bad that was 99. In 2000 we finished second after home and away.

Why even include 2000. Last century. Make it this century, ie since 2001.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:46 am 
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When you look closely at the GWS list, SOS managed to make quite a few underwhelming choices. Given the amount of pick they had it would be hard not to get lots of good players. At Carlton he is only going to have a few high picks, don't blow them on Jono O'Rourke and some of their other ordinary top picks.

And if we recruit Carlisle it will indicate that nothing has changed despite all the talk. I can't bring myself to renew my membership if it is going into Carlisle's pocket.

This from the AFL website sums him up:

"The race for Carlisle's signature has been bubbling away for some time, but it narrowed this week when North Melbourne withdrew following a meeting with the Bomber on Tuesday night.

It's understood both parties agreed they were not a good fit given Carlisle's preference to play in defence in 2016 and North's glut of key defenders."

We can't seriously be contemplating someone who tells us where he will play. Anyway don't Weitering and Jachsk (spelling?) tie up our key defence posts till 2027?

I am really concerned that SOS is yet another mates appointment, we can't afford any drafting mistakes.


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Heard an interview with Emma Quayle and she says Weitering and Schache are drawing away as clear 1 & 2.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Byrne, Sheehan & Wood have had 2 years on our rookie list - do they have to be promoted to our primary list now if we're keeping them? The rookie list rules seem to keep changing, but there was a stage where it was a maximum 2 years and a 3rd year could only happen if the player went into that year's national draft and was overlooked. The exception being category B rookies who can have automatic 3 years.

If that's still the case, we'd need to add Sheehan & Wood to our primary list before the national draft (unless we are prepared to risk another club taking them in the national draft) but Byrne - who is a category B rookie - can stay on the rookie list for another year.

Have I got that right? Anyone sure of the rules?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Is the solution for the afl to provide both Carlton and Brisbane with priority picks? If they both take place before the first round, it would solve their issue that Carlton pick up the best two kids in the draft.

I.e.

Pp1: Carlton
Pp2: Brisbane
P1: Carlton
Free trade pick: Carlton
P2: Brisbane.

We get three of the first four, Brisbane 2 of the first 5.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:04 pm 
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I think Bris will get a priority pick on the basis players are leaving the club and I think we will get a comp pick so the first few picks will be :

Bris Schache
Carl Weitering
Carl Francis
Bris ?


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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:56 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I think Bris will get a priority pick on the basis players are leaving the club and I think we will get a comp pick so the first few picks will be :

Bris Schache
Carl Weitering
Carl Francis
Bris ?


That's rubbish. They have gained Plenty also.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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King Kenny wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I think Bris will get a priority pick on the basis players are leaving the club and I think we will get a comp pick so the first few picks will be :

Bris Schache
Carl Weitering
Carl Francis
Bris ?


That's rubbish. They have gained Plenty also.


Exactly. Very happy to throw picks around like confetti last year. They have no case until they can demonstrate a capability of retaining players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:00 pm 
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Why does everybody who thinks the AFL would/should give Brisbane a PP, at the expense of Carlton, automatically think they will draft Schache? It won't be a good result for the Blues to lose pick one basically because Brisbane had a sook at the prospect of us getting the highest compensation pick for Kreuzer. That basically means we get less for losing a good player than they do for sooking over the supposedly unfair rules. Good look AFL.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Collingwood are believed to have cooled on the prospect of signing Matthew Kreuzer as a free agent, as the Carlton ruckman weighs up his future.

While the Magpies have shown interest in Kreuzer and are yet to declare whether they will go ahead with an offer, Fairfax Media believes the Pies have somewhat curbed their enthusiasm for Kreuzer, whose potential departure has sparked intense lobbying from Brisbane and Carlton about compensation and priority draft selections.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... z3lWcgBhgA

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Derek Hine only remembered this morning that they have some guys called Witts & Grundy. Lucky he realised before it was too late


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:22 pm 
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They won't have Witts as GWS seem to want him as part of the Treloar trade.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:47 am 
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I must say a 4 year 500-600K pa contract is a big commitment for an injury prone ruckman.
It wouldn't surprise me to see the Pies pull out of the deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Wouldn't that just solve so many problems for the AFL. If the clubs interested in Kruezer were to inexplicably lose interest and remove or reduce their offers.
Fortunately we operate under an organisation which is beyond reproach and underhanded dealings.

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The AFL could just point at Kennedy Waite Betts Garlett Grigg Laidler Jacobs and Robbo and state its not a PP you need its learning how to hang on to your players

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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gerry atric wrote:
When you look closely at the GWS list, SOS managed to make quite a few underwhelming choices. Given the amount of pick they had it would be hard not to get lots of good players. At Carlton he is only going to have a few high picks, don't blow them on Jono O'Rourke and some of their other ordinary top picks.

I am really concerned that SOS is yet another mates appointment, we can't afford any drafting mistakes.


Not supporting SOS here but please tell which recruiter has gotten it right 80, 90 or 100% of the time.

Go back over the past 10 years and you will struggle to see a 60% pass mark.

Even guys like Wells and the supposed guru Clayton have had their share of misses.

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