Revamp #156:

Retire: Judd, Carrazzo, Ellard
Delist: Warnock, Armfield, Jones, Tutt, Watson
Trade: Henderson (Pick 10), Bell & Pick ~57 (Aish)

Pick 1: Weitering
Pick 10: Ryan Clarke
Pick 21: Jade Gresham
Pick 39: Bailey Rice
Pick 57: Traded to Brisbane as part of Bell deal
Pick 75: Jack Silvagni
Pick 93: Traded to GWS
Pick 111: Ciaran Byrne (Upgraded)
Pick 129: Pass

PSD: Jake Carlisle

Trade In: Aish, Lamb

I just lifted this from the Guardian, I think it was. I thoought I might use it as an example of a non sequiter' argument.

"Waite provides more proof Carlton doesn't deserve a priority pick
The Blues have been lambasted for their bid for a priority selection at the upcoming draft. Rightly so, given some of the A-grade talent running around on the first weekend of finals that Carlton let go. Bad management saw Eddie Betts and Jarrad Waite walk out the door of Ikon Park, while Josh Kennedy was traded, and that trio booted 12 goals between them on the weekend. That's not to mention star Crows ruckman Sam Jacobs, Brisbane Lions equal best-and-fairest Mitch Robinson, plus Melbourne small forward Jeff Garlett (40 goals this year) and Tiger mid Shaun Grigg. The Blues' case for a priority pick smacks of a club angling for better compensation in case Matthew Kreuzer also leaves."

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

They all wanted to leave the club We should be using the Brisbane argument to strengthen ours.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Surely we could get better value out of Warnock and Armfield somehow?

Pick 93 for Jed Lamb is quite fine by me.

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Essendon-Only team to have ever been found guilty of salary cap breaches in a premiership year!

Bell > Aish.
Be will finish in out top 3-5 in the B&F.
Not the best user of it but his strength at stoppages and running capacity are huge assets.

Edited for accuracy

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

He forgot Laidler....

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

If we're going to lose Kreuzer & Yarran, this is how I hope it ends up......

Out:
1. Judd (retired)
2. Carrazzo (retired)
3. Ellard (retired)
4. Henderson (+pick #40 traded to Geel for picks #11 & #49)
5. Yarran (traded to Rich for pick #14)
6. Kreuzer (FA, pick #2 compo)
7. Jones (delisted)
8. Warnock (delisted)
9. Watson (delisted)
10. Giles (delisted, draft as rookie*)

In:
1. pick #1 - Weitering
2. pick #2 - Schache
3. pick #11 - best available mid
4. pick #14 - best available mid
5. pick #22 - trade to PA for Lobbe
6. pick #49 - Rice (f/s)
7. pick #67 - Silvagni (f/s)
8. pick #85 - Wood (rookie promotion)
9. pick #103 - Sheehan (rookie promotion)
10. PSD pick #1 - Carlisle

Rookie list:
Rookie draft pick #1 - best available
Rookie draft pick #19 - best available
Rookie draft pick #37 - Giles
Rookie draft pick #55 - Korcheck (international)
Retained rookies - Byrne, Fields, Gowers, Walsh
Delisted rookies - Johnson, Russell

Notes:
> Paying Jones out will take some good management of our TPP by SOS, Macca & Trigg - but they just have to do it. We can't allow Jones to take up a spot on our list any longer. There would also be strong symbolism for the new regime in cutting him now. I can't recall ever being so sure that we needed to delist a player after one season.
> I agonised over whether to delist Watson or White. Watson has more upside potential, but he is a low percentage option, IMO. White gives our list a bit more versatility and he has leadership attributes and is a good clubman. We'll need some guys like that around next year.
> I would keep Armfield and Tutt for another year, mainly because we are so desperate for run.
> Warnock vs Wood? I've gone for Wood because he seems more durable and combative. Warnock is more likely to influence a game with his ruck work when in form, but he struggles to get on the park. Both might stay on our list if we can't land Lobbe and lose Kreuzer. Otherwise, Lobbe will be our #1 ruckman, Wood will be the back up, with Casboult/Rowe pinch hitting and Korcheck developing in the VFL.
> If Kreuzer stays (which I still hope happens), obviously we don't get #2 and we use #21 on the best available kid instead of trading it for Lobbe.
> I'm backing us to convince Bell to stay because I think he is worth more to us than we would get in a trade for him. I can't see Brisbane agreeing to a straight swap for Aish or Green. Bell has his deficiencies but he provides a point of difference and I want to keep him.
> Will pick #49 be enough to secure Rice, assuming he chooses us? That's a 3rd rounder.

Cheers, ABNS

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

No arguments with any of those.

Wonder if its worth trading down some of our 3rd and 4th round picks, if they're just going to be used on Silvagni and Rice anyway (if a club bids, its our next pick regardless, and the loss of points for next year that late in the draft surely is so minimal, its of better use shoring up a few deals here and there?)

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

That's exactly what I've done above with our 3rd round pick - downgraded it as the 'steak knives' in the Hendo trade to help extract pick #11 out of Geelong.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

abns I love your work but I despair your agony. Simple fact is that Watson is not afl quality yet White could be; White was asked in 2015 to play resting tagger, resting RR, KPP and third tall. I think White as the 20th player is AFL quality.

Watson is a slow man with a big head and tiny arms. he's the quintessential ' good on no one' player.

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Formerly: Ackland the Wonderkid / Army the Wonderkid / quivering mess / molsey / Tony Lynn Fan Club

Scache has stated he wants to finish what his father started at Brisbane, drafting him at #2 will be a waste of a pick as he will just ask for trade at the earliest opportunity. Better to let Brisbane have him and go for someone else. Francis?

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

where was this mentioned BS? i havent seen this anywhere. its a bit of a worry of he has stated that, its draft tampering surely?

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my last one was rubbish

where was this mentioned BS? i havent seen this anywhere. its a bit of a worry of he has stated that, its draft tampering surely?

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my last one was rubbish

It's bullshit.

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dane's trolling again

it really doesn't matter, seems increasingly likely that Kreuzer isn't going anywhere and we'll have pick #1 but not #2. that's fine with me.
I can't see any possibility that we would get a PP either.

I ended up opting to keep White over Watson, but both are out of contract and I don't think White is 100% safe. White can play a number of roles and gives his all, but he is 28 next year and I doubt there is much improvement left in him. Happy to keep him around for another year at least, but it remains to be seen how deep SOS is going to cut the list.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

After 2 years we'll hold the whip hand. If he wants to go back to Brisbane we can either take Francis depending on his development or even their first pick the year after. I don't see any downside to taking Schache if he is legitimately the second best player in the draft.

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In WADA we trust

again, a scenario that seems increasingly unlikely to happen.
Kreuzer is staying with the blues, we have pick #1, take Weitering, and the Lions can enjoy Schache...

with that in mind, does that change who we would draft with our Henderson selection? would we still want a midfielder? or perhaps another KPP?

From what everyone is saying seems unlikely Curnow will be around by pick 10ish?