Won't happen. If Lennon is making noises about coming to us, they'll package him in as part of a deal. Think about it from their point of view, they won't give us a first round pick and risk Lennon walking in the PSD, that would be dumb.

Only way I can see us getting someone decent in the PSD is if their existing clubs pisses them off in not facilitating a trade and hence they walk to the PSD. And for the reasons stated above, it will probably have to be a club we're not going to trade with.

Geelong's wish list:

Dangerfield
Henderson
Scott Selwood
Ruckman (?)

Their No 1 priority will be Dangerfield.

They will be offering us peanuts for Hendo. We should be receiving Cats 1st Rounder but most probably won't as the Cats will be forced to trade for Danger.

SOS better be ready for the shenanigans that will be thrown our way.

Exactly.
Pick #13 or bust.

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Andy Collins.

Teeheehee

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How do you know they're "offering" him up, so much as him wanting out?

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Wow. That's a good point you make. Changes the landscape of the TPP trap.

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Why will the Cats be forced to trade for Dangerfield? Isn't he a free agent? Adelaide can just sit back and accept first round compo pick from AFL that will not effect Geelong.

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Crows can play smart and match Cats offer thereby forcing the player into a trade scenario with the likelihood that the picks they negotiate will be far better than the compo pick.

That would require Jones to agree and accept playing VFL for the next 2 seasons.

If I were Jones I'd be telling the club to gagf and to pay me out if I'm not on the primary list.

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Surely there'd be some sort of onus on Adelaide to show how they would intend to match said offer and do so within the confines of the TPP?

Having resigned Tex, Sloane, Jacobs and Douglas this year already, I can't see how they could do it.

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If he is one of the nominated rookies, he can play AFL at any time without the need for someone to go onto the LTI. In other words, he still gets a game if his form warrants it and he still gets paid the same. Not sure why he would object. If the AFL has ticked this off, it sounds like a smart piece of list management by SOS and co.

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You would think that there would be some sort of Gentleman's agreement - kind of a Veale deal - where they pay overs for another player of Adelaide's list. Someone like Kerridge (first name that popped into my head) for a 2nd rounder this year and third rounder next year or something like that.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

We wouldn't play him though - that's when the money would count towards the cap.

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As I understand, half a rookie's salary is counted towards the salary cap... not sure about nominated rookies.

If the AFL tick off on this... can we rookie Gibbs/Thomas as well?

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TOTALLY AGREE
FFS..He is contracted.
We have all the power here...First round pick or NO DEAL!!!!!!!
Don't give those pricks anything. We should've had 17 flags by now if it weren't for their unsportsmanlike sniping in '73
And a message for Yarran...you leave on OUR terms, not yours

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Pretty sure it is half of the rookie base salary that isnt included.

I can't stomach some of the returns Carlton players potentially bring to Carlton.

It has been too obvious to the football world that Carlton are rebuilding: it is official.

Hendo and Yarran turn out to be the 2 trades we were inevitabley going to entertain and obviously the club knew how the Kreuzer scenario would unfold.

Carlton wants 1st round drafts. Period.

Saints have a Pick 5 for Carlisle. Carlton could and should take that for Hendo and then focus on Carlisle. In fact we should take Essendon*'s or Melbourne's first round picks for Hendo. Hendo cant reject everyone because he wanted to be traded and stated no preference when he was shown the door.

If Cats really want Hendo they can come up with the picks and if they arent careful...with a player too.

If we can meet Carlisle's terms and get him through the PSD IF Essendon* demand one of our first round picks then we should get the 23 yo!!!

Pick 1 .....we use on Weitering

Pick 2 Kreuzer...I believe one Pies Tigers or Dogs will snag him, but Im happy with him as a Bluebagger....we use on Sasche

Pick 5 Hendo if Saints/Dons want him...we use on Parish

Pick 6 or 13 Yarran from the Dees or Tiggers or whoever wants ....we use on Curnow

Trade our second rounder for Lennon if he wants out...or Plowman or Philips

Round 3 pick for Rice

Round 5 pick for SOS

Round 6 we promote Byrne

Pick up Carlisle in the psd

Bell for Aish or Redden

Figure out how we get the other of Plowman or Philips and Lennon (if we use pick 2 on one of these 3). Perhaps PSD and maybe round 3 ...I can see us getting 1 maybe 2 but 3 will require a player and pick imo.

Stand our ground on Hendo and Yarran, and use our first round picks on best kids available....and the rest of them Carlisle, Lennon, Plowman, Philips, Lennon etc...find a way with my priority in that lot being Carlisle. Get our spine sorted this year then we focus on ruckmen and medfielders for the next 2 years.

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Getting 2nd round picks in a weak draft for Henderson and Yarran is way unders. Whether we have a choice is a different matter. We need to ask for 1st round picks in next years draft .

Why the rush for Sasche when we all know he wants to play at Brisbane an finish off what his late father didn't get the chance to do? If there was ever a recipe for disaster, it's picking someone who already wants to go home and we haven't even selected him yet. Let him go to Brisbane and pick someone who actually wants to play for us.

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We are like the reverse of moneyball if that remotely makes any sense.
We have and will sell/sold good , hell even matchwinning contributors at their lowest possible value in the past and will likely do so this year too -

i.e. Betts got us f-all (i dont consider the netting off of daisy as anything really),
Jacobs another GUN for picks in 33 and 67 i think,
Laidler for nothing now a starting 18 lock for the swans,
Garlett for nothing - just kicked 40 goals for the year, a great effort, for a team themselves that struggles to score much
Robinson for nothing - just won a B&F (tied i know but still)
Waite for nothing - career high season goal tally and a match winner in kangas first two finals
grigg - admittedly dont rate him that highly but still hes easily in our best 22 and we got collins for him...collins!?!? who the fv<k is collins?


Hendo - will get screwed into some sort of Walker + 2nd or 3rd round deal
Yarran - will get screwed into some sort of Lennon + 3rd round deal
Bell (who just quietly I think this guy is severly undersold , we have no other battering rams, a fukn critical piece of our midfield) - will get screwed into some sort of pick in the late 30s for him deal in a shallow draft
Menzel - will get screwed into some sort of sam kerridge + 2nd or 3rd round pick deal
PSD Pick 1 - won't leverage this properly as a bargaining tool in deals and will end up getting another Tutt type with it

and thats just what exited/will exit the club not to mention what has entered the club.

we also pay overs for unfounded potential that isnt there...
Warnock = done f-all, biggest princess in the AFL for picks 24 and 56 (compare that to the JAcobs for 33 and 67 and their respective outputs, WTF!?!?!?)
Jones - the fact we even traded full stop says it all. Offering a guy 3 years when nobody else would have given him 1! Here you go Liam - you're in such high demand we want to give you 1 million++ over 3 years. what the actual fcck?
McLean for pick 10 etc etc
The pick 7 for 3 players deal last year was also f'd.

BUY HIGH SELL LOW!!! Soul destroying shit!

I wish I could say that I am tripping balls right now and letting my imagination run wild but you really couldnt script this sort of sh1t !! Having said that it would make a ripping movie.

This club is cooked! please please please please SOS fix this sinking ship

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