Brendon Bolton - Carlton coach 2015-2019

Lace Out · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:50 pm

bluechampion wrote:

Hi Dodo - not taking the piss, but here's info about the board - https://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/board

In relation to the board...

MARK LOGIUDICE - PRESIDENT - on the board since 2010
JEANNE PRATT AC - VICE PRESIDENT - on the board since 2011
LUKE SAYERS - on the board since 2012
CRAIG MATHIESON - on the board since 2012
CHRIS JUDD - on the board since 2017
DAVID CAMPBELL - on the board since 2018
PATTY KINNERSLY - on the board since 2018

In a philosophical sense being on the board should have a 10-year term limit, yes?

So effectively the club has gone backwards on field since MLG became president.

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MPH78 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:02 pm

At this rate, I’m expected Doc to post my long lost baby photos :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:53 pm

MPH78 wrote:

At this rate, I’m expected Doc to post my long lost baby photos :lol:

Ockham's Razor · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm **Posts:** 1689

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

SPS_5 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:55 pm **Posts:** 408

redback wrote:

I can't believe some of you are still defending him, he failed he's not the first and he won't be the last. The issue that astounds me is that you would like to plonk along the same embarrassing path as the last few years holding on for dear life. The issues were blatantly obvious to the few who could see through the mind numbing trodden out lines of the establishment to the religious believers.
The major plan is still there but we needed to adjust is slightly to get the results that are required, and good on them for having the balls to do that. Bolton won 3 in forty odd, FMD. The players had enough of the bullshit game plan. The administration gave him a go but he wasn't up to it and he had to make way before the players were broken or damaged.
We should be happy. We need to go forward as a club, he had his shot and had ample time, next.

Thank you.

And everyone feeling bad or sorry for him because he’s a nice guy and was so nice and tearing up in the press conference. I mean, cut the crap. This is elite level football, a brutal and RUTHLESS industry. This isn’t a school carnival where all the kids get participation awards, this is a serious, results oriented business where the only thing that is rewarded are wins, and lots of wins.

No doubt he’s a nice guy and motivated etc. but he was clearly not up to it nd the change needed to be made.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:25 pm

Ockham's Razor wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

Cheers as always OR :thumbsup:

Hopefully the shackles can be released starting Sat.

Do you know the mood of the playing group now? How are they taking everything?

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 11003

The Duke wrote:

I know several posters say Bolton had nothing to do with the sakcing and recruiting of mature players, but I know that's absolute BS. A senior coach has a big say in who stays, who comes and who goes.

As has been pointed out clearly in the last 24 hours, many of those decisions have been the cause of his demise. He cut too hard and brought in spuds.

I don’t know how many times I can say it but coaches have a very big say in trading and recruiting mature players from other clubs. Very, very much.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17396

MPH78 wrote:

At this rate, I’m expected Doc to post my long lost baby photos :lol:

AGRO · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:23 pm

Ockham's Razor wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

Let’s see if this all translates to more freedom and joyous playing style over the back half of the season.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:28 pm

DocSherrin III wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

At this rate, I’m expected Doc to post my long lost baby photos :lol:

Mum, we need to talk.

ColourMan · **Joined:** Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:51 am **Posts:** 1291

The Duke wrote:

I know several posters say Bolton had nothing to do with the sakcing and recruiting of mature players, but I know that's absolute BS. A senior coach has a big say in who stays, who comes and who goes.

As has been pointed out clearly in the last 24 hours, many of those decisions have been the cause of his demise. He cut too hard and brought in spuds.

You have no idea!!!! :lol:

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:11 am

Ockham's Razor wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

*cough* Kade Simpson *cough*

Agro jr · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 3:04 pm **Posts:** 1007

Sidefx wrote:

bluegirl72 wrote:

I' m not assuming we'll win any games. I just know Bolts was no longer the man. As for Crippa being devastated, really? I must have been watching different footage. Both he and Doc showed respect but I thought they looked relieved. If you don't think they were consulted at some stage about this I reckon you are nutsy unicorns.
The club is moving forward.
Plenty to get excited about.

Wasn't this the whole reason you wanted BB sacked, to win games?

Then you probably need to re-watch it if you don't think both him and Doc were effected.

Maybe Crippa did know before Sunday and was the reason he got outplayed by a kid. This week will be telling for all the team with their response from this and what effect it really has.

At the moment I don't feel your positivity that we are moving forward, no more than if BB was still coach. Especially seeing the replacement options we have available for this point in our development, unless we can get Clarkson.

What's the next step from here then?

Perhaps fold the club? Effective immediately?

bender · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:40 am

grrofunger wrote:

Ockham's Razor wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

*cough* Kade Simpson *cough*

pretty narrow field for this though, wasn't it....

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28228

Not surprising some were uncomfortable being uncomfortable :roll:

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:45 am

Thanks for the update OR. Our group of Carlton tragics were thinking much the same thing about that meeting. If it was brutal, then there was bound to be brutal feedback about style, game plan etc.
As Roos said on Monday night, “after 4 years what’s our brand?”. And sadly, no one knows.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28228

Ockham's Razor wrote:

MPH78 wrote:

Appreciate the wishes everyone, cheers.

Hard not to wonder what has broken down internally over the last month or so. It was rather stark.

If possible, would love OR or any other insider to shed some further light on this please?

The turning point was the player only meeting post GWS.

A major discussion point was that coaching was too prescriptive and players felt they were being over coached. A few openly said how they really felt.

BB hadn't lost the players at that stage but they were questioning the approach. Some could clearly see the end of their AFL career being a miserable slog if things continued on same path.

Many players felt they weren't able to play with any freedom & they expressed this.

No surprise at all that one of them enthusiastically embraced the charity event a few days later.

Interesting response / reaction to a separate senior player by BB shortly after that.

Also BB wasn't pleased with how the start of this meeting was portrayed in the media.

Need to reiterate that BB hadn't lost the players, but signs were developing.

Reads to me like a couple of senior players were undermining the coach leaving Cripps and the young guys totally confused .

Lace Out · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:02 am

I can't help but feel SOS and Bolts had a somewhat strained relationship.

This moment reiterated that for me.

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GWS · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:31 am

What was the moment that iterated it?

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