Agree with all that
Problem is the mature players were or are below average
He could of done a lot better. There would be a dozen blokes in the Geelong Football League better
than some blokes he got to top the list up. Meanwhile clubs like Geelong snag Kelly. Not enough diligence was placed on getting some mature bodies from the West and South Australia .

I keep coming back to the point about the third year of this rebuild.
We were not just bad. We were absolutely pathetic. Surely the List Management team might take stock and think that some of blokes they recruited were not as good as they thought.
Getting blokes like Shaw,Mullett and O’ Shea was plain @#$%&! embarrassing

What compounds the problem more is Dow, O’ Brien and Kennedy who were picked with high picks.
They really haven’t done much.
Kennedy is ordinary
O’Brien is soft and many recruiters were surprised by his selection at ten for that reason
Dow is a real concern. His kicking is horrible but more of a worry is he can’t find it
He needs to go back to the magoos to get some confidence

Personally I don’t think much of the other 2
Hopefully DeKoning will become the ruckman we need.
They should of reset again last year at the draft and didn’t.
Do what it’s worth McAdam has the physical tools to make it
Kreuger is showing great form at the VFL
At the very least we should have used pick 13 on Stocker and waited a year before going for mature players
But not McGovern
Setterfield is just a player. I personally would of kept Kreuger and had a pick on the early 20s in this draft. Sos’sbest pick was Fisher at 27. It can be done Jim.
Fasolo


Sos’s first draft was excellent. His second draft was good although with picking deciding its all too hard
means the Tuohy trade is a bit of a stinker .

Our first 3 picks in the 2019 draft will be around 15 then 2 picks in the 40 s
I wonder what MLG thinks of that
I think I know what Liddle thinks.
The future is not looking good

Agree with all that
Problem is the mature players were or are below average
He could of done a lot better. There would be a dozen blokes in the Geelong Football League better
than some blokes he got to top the list up. Meanwhile clubs like Geelong snag Kelly. Not enough diligence was placed on getting some mature bodies from the West and South Australia .

I keep coming back to the point about the third year of this rebuild.
We were not just bad. We were absolutely pathetic. Surely the List Management team might take stock and think that some of blokes they recruited were not as good as they thought.
Getting blokes like Shaw,Mullett and O’ Shea was plain @#$%&! embarrassing

What compounds the problem more is Dow, O’ Brien and Kennedy who were picked with high picks. haven’t really haven’t done much.
Kennedy is ordinary
O’Brien is soft and many recruiters were surprised by his selection at ten for that reason
Dow is a real concern. His kicking is horrible but more of a worry is he can’t find it
He needs to go back to the magoos to get some confidence

Personally I don’t think much of the other 2
Hopefully DeKoning will become the ruckman we need.
They should of reset again last year at the draft and didn’t.
For what it’s worth I believe McAdam has the physical tools to make it
Kreuger is showing great form at the VFL
At the very least we should have used pick 13 on Stocker and waited a year before going for mature players but not McGovern.
Setterfield is just a player. I personally would of kept Kreuger and had a pick on the early 20s in this draft. Silvangi’s best selection pick was Fisher at 27. It can be done Jim.
Fasolo


Sos’s first draft was excellent. His second draft was good although with Pickett deciding its all too hard
means the Tuohy trade is a bit of a stinker .

Our first 3 picks in the 2019 draft will be around 15 then 2 picks in the 40 s
I wonder what MLG thinks of that
I think I know what Liddle thinks.
The future is not looking good.

1 Brittian
Pagan
Ratten
Malthouse
Bolton
All sacked before their contracts were up

2 The board are the bosses. Like any business if things arnt tickity boo they are ultimately responsible

Have a looked at the origin of the drugs scandal at the Bombers
It started by Evans handing the coaching job to his mate.
It then went from there. Take away the peptides we are similar

We are the polar opposite.

We need the peptides.

1. Exactly like I said, which coach from any other team other than retiring coaches are not sacked?

2. Without being disrespectful, now you have made it very clear that your constant ranting about the board is based on clear misunderstanding on the responsibilities of corporate structures and not the performance of the board.

I don't think that's his point. With three minutes to go in the third they take Charlie off, who was absolutely killing it. We stopped scoring then and they finished with two late ones. Coincidence? Maybe. I think English came back on for them at around the same time.

General point though : I really hate seeing players taken off when they're on a roll. (And I don't think Charlie was exhausted).

I agree. They did the same with Daisy when he kicked that goal, you could clearly see how pumped he was and seconds later you see him on the bench.

5 coaches in 18 years
12 years guaranteed for a board member
Get the picture?

I’ll say again
The fish rots from the head
Go back to the Essendon* analogy
You shouldn’t hand jobs based partly on friendship

And another thing
It works the other way in relation to what is obviously a tough job
Clarkos time at the Hawks is up despite all the success
He doesn’t want to bottom out but they will anyway
Chad Wingard
Scully
Wingard is another very overrated player like Mc Govern

Seems Keogh doesn't think much of McGovern.

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Tell us about SOS again Keogh

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Oh, and about the Board

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Goodaye Windy
What do you think of a guy who doesn’t lay one tackle and gets 700000 gorillas a season
I guess if it makes you feel any better Wingard isn’t travelling too flash
Burton pick 15 and 35 for a similar “Hollywood “ player
It just isn’t us

And honestly tell me where you thought we would be on the ladder half way through the season

And the new coach who reckons he is selfless

This is really not the place for this discussion so mods feel free to move it if desired


This current board has put in place people & systems to address a number of areas where we have performed poorly

1. Low membership even with one of the largest supporter bases in the AFL
2. Over reliance on outside monies and high debt
3. Underperforming high performance department
4. Old school drafting and coaching model
5. Non inclusive (boys club) club culture
6. Poor on field performance

Now other than point 6, I would argue that the Board has had great success in all other points. It put a new CEO in place to address point 1, 2 and 5 in appointing Trigg.

Trigg was successful in financial performance, bringing in a women's team and beginning to transform the club into a more inclusive culture, however failed to achieve the buy in from supporters to achieve the membership levels set by the board so was moved on and liddle appointed rather than just accepting the job half done.

The board oversaw a strategic plan to have the biggest rebuild in AFL history and put the resources behind it with clear direction to all parties - List manager, Coach, Media department and supporters.
This was to address point 4 and point 6 with internal KPI's of what was to be achieved. They have stuck to that bold plan and have not wavered, my understanding of the plan was to draft as many kids with high end picks as possible in first 3 years and then in year 4-5 target a free agent to help out the kids and fill in the holes. When KPI's weren't met, they sacked the coach rather than risk failing to execute the plan, again strong decision.

Same outcome in the women's team where we went from last to GF after coaching change.

When we reviewed last season it was clear to all and sundry that injuries was stalling our rebuild (point 3) and the high performance manager moved on and they targeted the best in the business in Andrew Russell

Record membership, success in women's team, better financials, upgrades in place for Ikon Park, much improved playing list, strong decisive decisions when people appointed by the board have not performed.

Again please explain to me where the board has failed their responsibilities.

Can I ask a question of the moderators? Not taking potshots at any particular poster but it seems like a lot of this should be in another thread. What happens when different threads end up being about the same topic?

Hand jobs and friendship go together well...

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One thing for sure, if I expressed my opinion I wouldn't repeat it in every vaguely relevant thread, 301 times.

Or should I say "would of not repeated"?

You are tiresome Keogh. Take the hint.

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