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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:56 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:03 am 
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I am starting to see some really worrying signs from the coach.

He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.
I think I recall seeing Marin in there maybe once (?), and Setterfield maybe a few times.
What has happened to Fogarty? He was going well early in the year, getting 20+ touches and providing good drive off a wing/onball. But he seems stuck at HF these days and is contributing hardly anything.
Why didn't Dow play? Russell said last week he should play football this weekend.
The coach is not practising what he is preaching.
I don't think he has enough faith in our younger midfielders, and doesn't know how to develop them.
Now wonder Walsh looked exhausted and ran out of steam in the second half.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:06 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


At the end of the day SB the coach is running the ship. Our ruining it in our case.
The buck stops with the coach.
It is his third year, and we keep getting worse.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:33 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:



As per usual your contribution to the discussion is @#$%&! all because your nothing but a dead set toss bag that goes around taking pot shots at other peoples post

Here is a tip for you Baz try think of making a contribution to the discussion and if you can't do that @#$%&! off

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:56 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:



People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.

Let me say this. There's already questions being asked about Teague at the club.
If he doesn't make the Finals, and we fade in the 2nd half, there will be trouble for Teague.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 10:58 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I am starting to see some really worrying signs from the coach.

He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.
I think I recall seeing Marin in there maybe once (?), and Setterfield maybe a few times.
What has happened to Fogarty? He was going well early in the year, getting 20+ touches and providing good drive off a wing/onball. But he seems stuck at HF these days and is contributing hardly anything.
Why didn't Dow play? Russell said last week he should play football this weekend.
The coach is not practising what he is preaching.
I don't think he has enough faith in our younger midfielders, and doesn't know how to develop them.
Now wonder Walsh looked exhausted and ran out of steam in the second half.



Bingo.

Teague isn't giving his mids any support.

Fogarty imo is over rated.

Setterfield did give Crippa a chop out everytime Cripps was rested. Setterfied as an inside mid was suppose to star...he didn't.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 am 
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I'm on the Teague train
Ready to crash and burn
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:33 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.




Teague is absolutely wedded to Cripps-Walsh-Curnow.

We must be the easiest centre bounce side in the league for oppo coaches to plan for. No surprises, no variety, nothing really out of left field. I understand that midfield depth is the glaring failing of the rebuild (which is not entirely his fault), but come on, you have to be resourceful & at least try to work with what you've got & change things up a bit.

As an aside I still think Williams should ultimately be in the middle more, once he builds on his fowm & fitness over the next few weeks.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:36 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:



People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.

Let me say this. There's already questions being asked about Teague at the club.
If he doesn't make the Finals, and we fade in the 2nd half, there will be trouble for Teague.


Mate finals are a wild pipedream. Season is shot.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:38 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I am starting to see some really worrying signs from the coach.

He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.
I think I recall seeing Marin in there maybe once (?), and Setterfield maybe a few times.
What has happened to Fogarty? He was going well early in the year, getting 20+ touches and providing good drive off a wing/onball. But he seems stuck at HF these days and is contributing hardly anything.
Why didn't Dow play? Russell said last week he should play football this weekend.
The coach is not practising what he is preaching.
I don't think he has enough faith in our younger midfielders, and doesn't know how to develop them.
Now wonder Walsh looked exhausted and ran out of steam in the second half.



Bingo.

Teague isn't giving his mids any support.

Fogarty imo is over rated.

Setterfield did give Crippa a chop out everytime Cripps was rested. Setterfied as an inside mid was suppose to star...he didn't.


Agreed on Fogarty but even still he is better onball than as a HF.
I have a friend who is a Cats fan and he said "Whatever you do don't play Fogarty as a forward". Well dine Teague.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:40 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.




Teague is absolutely wedded to Cripps-Walsh-Curnow.

We must be the easiest centre bounce side in the league for oppo coaches to plan for. No surprises, no variety, nothing really out of left field. I understand that midfield depth is the glaring failing of the rebuild (which is not entirely his fault), but come on, you have to be resourceful & at least try to work with what you've got & change things up a bit.

As an aside I still think Williams should ultimately be in the middle more, once he builds on his fowm & fitness over the next few weeks.


Dow
Fogarty
Setterfield
Martin
Docherty (couldn't be worse than leaving him down back where his efforts are compromised)

Plenty of options.

Teague is trying to play finals.
Well, how's that going David?


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:44 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.



People power also helped Teague get his job, don't forget.

The ironies.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:52 am 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.



People power also helped Teague get his job, don't forget.

The ironies.


Well this is a club that refuses to go through the correct process.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 12:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:



People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.

Let me say this. There's already questions being asked about Teague at the club.
If he doesn't make the Finals, and we fade in the 2nd half, there will be trouble for Teague.
That's part of the problem too.

Supporters shouldn't have such an influence, and after sacking 3 coaches in the last 10 or so years is sacking another going to make a difference anyway?

In hindsight we should have kept Ratten on another year or two. Remember, we had a really shit run with injuries that year too.

Then we'd hopefully have avoided the coach merry go round or at least avoided Malthouse.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:54 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
baz_baz wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff


It sounds like you think your opinion makes a difference. :lol: :lol: :lol:



People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.

Let me say this. There's already questions being asked about Teague at the club.
If he doesn't make the Finals, and we fade in the 2nd half, there will be trouble for Teague.
That's part of the problem too.

Supporters shouldn't have such an influence, and after sacking 3 coaches in the last 10 or so years is sacking another going to make a difference anyway?

In hindsight we should have kept Ratten on another year or two. Remember, we had a really shit run with injuries that year too.

Then we'd hopefully have avoided the coach merry go round or at least avoided Malthouse.


True to a degree. There's pros and cons.

Ratten was given up by the players and then the supporters got wind that the players were not playing for him.
I loved Ratten and was respectful of the injury list he mad to manage with. Dito Wayne Brittain in 2002.


Malthouse...he had to go.
Bolton...paralysis through analysis. Players didn't want to hear anymore complex theory...supporters got wind of it...anyway, players didn't seem to be developing either and we were copping some awful smackings and could NOT score. What should we have done in that case?

If the players stop playing for the coach and the Board isn't doing anything because its their nature or favouritism or whatever...what should supporters do in that case? Support the status quo, or support change.

I like people power. It keeps everyone internally on notice and on their toes.
If the Executive are really that smart to do the right thing with the info they are privy to, they would know when to not listen to supporters eg the sack Hardwick campaign the preseason prior to their first Flag in decades...they knew something and bought in great assistant coaches and Dimma took a diffferent approach.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:55 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
People Power.

The fans got restless with Bolton, Malthouse, even Ratten.

The Marketers got a whiff and knew they had to settle the natives.

Once theres enough on the send the Teague Train over the cliff, it wont take lone before he's outed.



People power also helped Teague get his job, don't forget.

The ironies.


Funny isn't it.

I thought Cripps gave Teague his support and made that clear to the Board.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:58 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I am starting to see some really worrying signs from the coach.

He said post game we need to support Cripps and Walsh more, spread the load.
But he had Cripps, Walsh and Curnow in the midfield for almost the entire day.
I think I recall seeing Marin in there maybe once (?), and Setterfield maybe a few times.
What has happened to Fogarty? He was going well early in the year, getting 20+ touches and providing good drive off a wing/onball. But he seems stuck at HF these days and is contributing hardly anything.
Why didn't Dow play? Russell said last week he should play football this weekend.
The coach is not practising what he is preaching.
I don't think he has enough faith in our younger midfielders, and doesn't know how to develop them.
Now wonder Walsh looked exhausted and ran out of steam in the second half.



Bingo.

Teague isn't giving his mids any support.

Fogarty imo is over rated.

Setterfield did give Crippa a chop out everytime Cripps was rested. Setterfied as an inside mid was suppose to star...he didn't.


Agreed on Fogarty but even still he is better onball than as a HF.
I have a friend who is a Cats fan and he said "Whatever you do don't play Fogarty as a forward". Well dine Teague.


He missed that goal because he didnt and couldnt make the diustance. Its his technique. Its made for accurate passes.

Like I keep saying, one or two midgets but that's it, unless they bring x factor, and only Betts has that from what I see.

I like Owies a lot.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 6:52 pm 
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Should be gone by the end of the year and the only coach they should target is Don Pyle has had success as a player and coach he is part of the reason swans have improved so quickly


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:15 pm 
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Should be gone by the end of the year and the only coach they should target is Don Pyle has had success as a player and coach he is part of the reason swans have improved so quickly


Hmmm...interesting thought.

I’m very interested to hear people’s thoughts on Pyke.


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:23 pm 
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In the entire Carlton Football Club extended staff currently - players, coaches, the board, membership department kids, head chef at the Carlton Cafe, cleaners, anybody on the payroll - there are only two people who have had any AFL premiership experience/success...and one (Judd) is leaving at year’s end. That just leaves Power.

The more I think about it the more exhausting the prospect of sacking yet another senior coach is. It’s been a rent-a-seat for a decade now; we’ve burnt through 3 and a caretaker, we’ve scorched the earth and gutted the list and still nothing changes. Can’t see another coach being turfed with a President on his way out also.

I’m leaning towards completely torching the assistant group (except Power). Find someone, anyone, EVERYONE who comes from a winning culture; played in a premiership and if they won one, even better. Throw everything at providing an all star supporting cast for Teague, give the training wheels a pump up and polish and then tell him in no uncertain terms not to get a big mortgage or get a new car, coz he has 2022 to reach finals and if not, he won’t be returning in 2023, no ifs or buts.


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