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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .



well yes, it does work.

you need depth, as we saw with previous cfc teams. our bottom 6 are perennially among the league's worst 6.


our problem is our quality does no longer exist - cripps on the decline and withering is off sulking again. walsh post back op, is no longer elite. and our bottom six depsite bringing in solid foot soldiers this offseason, is the league's worst bottom 6.



thats why modern afl requires a system. pies, cats, swans have a system. a player knows his role, knows where to be and what to do at all times. the system moves as one across the ground.

at carlton, we have a bunch of mediocre individuals, who weren't coached into any particular system, and run around autonomously doing their own thing. and in the case of 2nd halves - not running around, but standing still, hoping their mate will do the heavy lifting.


is a clusterfkk, it really is


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 8:47 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .

Yes but we got nothing from Charlie last year and from memory only about half a dozen good performances from Jack (until he got injured) and TDK (until he checked out).
So we really should have at least shown some improvement this year however seem to be getting worse.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 9:29 am 
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Humpers wrote:
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .

Yes but we got nothing from Charlie last year and from memory only about half a dozen good performances from Jack (until he got injured) and TDK (until he checked out).
So we really should have at least shown some improvement this year however seem to be getting worse.


See where you and Braithy are coming from Humps . I reckon we have picked up in the bottom six myself . They are doing OK . Reckon our top six are letting us down this year in that when its time to step up they for some reason do the opposite and step down . We lack star power IMHO .

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:05 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .

Yes but we got nothing from Charlie last year and from memory only about half a dozen good performances from Jack (until he got injured) and TDK (until he checked out).
So we really should have at least shown some improvement this year however seem to be getting worse.


See where you and Braithy are coming from Humps . I reckon we have picked up in the bottom six myself . They are doing OK . Reckon our top six are letting us down this year in that when its time to step up they for some reason do the opposite and step down . We lack star power IMHO .


Agreed, Mick. I'm a broken record, but it's always whack-a-mole with this team. Improve our bottom six (note: Ainsworth Florent Hayward are not bottom six, they're middle six, but they push former middles down to the bottom) and now the top six go missing. Fix the transition smashing with a smaller, quicker team and we get smashed at centre clearance. [Try to] Fix centre clearance (vs Aints) smashing with two plodding rucks and we get smashed in transition.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:09 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .



well yes, it does work.

you need depth, as we saw with previous cfc teams. our bottom 6 are perennially among the league's worst 6.


our problem is our quality does no longer exist - cripps on the decline and withering is off sulking again. walsh post back op, is no longer elite. and our bottom six depsite bringing in solid foot soldiers this offseason, is the league's worst bottom 6.



thats why modern afl requires a system. pies, cats, swans have a system. a player knows his role, knows where to be and what to do at all times. the system moves as one across the ground.

at carlton, we have a bunch of mediocre individuals, who weren't coached into any particular system, and run around autonomously doing their own thing. and in the case of 2nd halves - not running around, but standing still, hoping their mate will do the heavy lifting.


is a clusterfkk, it really is


Can't argue with that braithy. I do question our top 6 'stars'???

System bred into the players. Its generational.

At Sydney Roos morphed into Longmire who morphed into Cox. Same system, with a few tweaks to adapt to personnel
At Geelong Premiership coach Thompson morphed into Premiership coach Scott whose been there for 15 years

Yeah continuity helps. We have made bad decisions and then blown the place up and started again too many times since Pagan.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:11 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .

Yes but we got nothing from Charlie last year and from memory only about half a dozen good performances from Jack (until he got injured) and TDK (until he checked out).
So we really should have at least shown some improvement this year however seem to be getting worse.


See where you and Braithy are coming from Humps . I reckon we have picked up in the bottom six myself . They are doing OK . Reckon our top six are letting us down this year in that when its time to step up they for some reason do the opposite and step down . We lack star power IMHO .


Agreed, Mick. I'm a broken record, but it's always whack-a-mole with this team. Improve our bottom six (note: Ainsworth Florent Hayward are not bottom six, they're middle six, but they push former middles down to the bottom) and now the top six go missing. Fix the transition smashing with two plodding rucks and we get smashed at centre clearance. Fix centre clearance (vs Aints) and we get smashed in transition.


Whack a Mole :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:15 am 
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If Vossy gets sacked he would have a fairly good unfair dismissal case.

No one is going to tell me that JSOS TDK Charlie Martin Kennedy Carroll Durdin and Owies would not have made a difference to this year.

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He played apart in everyone of those decision except for TdK.
Surrey i know you and others live in a parallel universe when it comes to reality.
When the list management committee decided to move on Kennedy Martin Marchbank Cunningham Owies and traded away two first round draft picks for Jagga and failed to not get Houston despite him nominating the club. The club went into full list rebuild. Players who had been through this for 8 to 10 years said stuff that and walked.
This year the reality has set in with Harry Weiters and Cripps and to a certain extent Cerra and Walsh.
Players want success they don't want to be cellar dwelling for their entire careers.

Austin and list management destroyed any chance of these players being successful.

We are now faced with another 8 to 10 years hoping we win in November and December in draft and trade period.

If you believe anything other than that you are delusional

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This is a very narrow minded post
Austin list management is below par

But Generally List Management is below par at most clubs
It lacks imagination and thinking outside the box

Geelong is the example of the opposite
I got shit canned here when we gave up a first and third rounder for Cerra
Who at the time was Freos 5 th best mid
All these dumb trades paying overs for crap lengthy contracts all add up
An interesting stat
If you look at the List in 2015 only two players remain at AFL level
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:18 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .



well yes, it does work.

you need depth, as we saw with previous cfc teams. our bottom 6 are perennially among the league's worst 6.


our problem is our quality does no longer exist - cripps on the decline and withering is off sulking again. walsh post back op, is no longer elite. and our bottom six depsite bringing in solid foot soldiers this offseason, is the league's worst bottom 6.



thats why modern afl requires a system. pies, cats, swans have a system. a player knows his role, knows where to be and what to do at all times. the system moves as one across the ground.

at carlton, we have a bunch of mediocre individuals, who weren't coached into any particular system, and run around autonomously doing their own thing. and in the case of 2nd halves - not running around, but standing still, hoping their mate will do the heavy lifting.


is a clusterfkk, it really is


Can't argue with that braithy. I do question our top 6 'stars'???

System bred into the players. Its generational.

At Sydney Roos morphed into Longmire who morphed into Cox. Same system, with a few tweaks to adapt to personnel
At Geelong Premiership coach Thompson morphed into Premiership coach Scott whose been there for 15 years

Yeah continuity helps. We have made bad decisions and then blown the place up and started again too many times since Pagan.



Yes but whatever it is it is getting very hard to keep turning up and watching!


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:23 am 
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:26 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Last year’s poor performances were blamed on cultural issues—Charlie and Jack wanting out and TDK “checking out”—and a weak group of small/medium forwards. That was addressed with the additions of Hayward and Ainsworth, and with good injury luck and most key players available, we should have improved. The question is: why haven’t we? Voss is running out of excuses.

Yeah , replacing quality with quantity doesn't see to work .



well yes, it does work.

you need depth, as we saw with previous cfc teams. our bottom 6 are perennially among the league's worst 6.


our problem is our quality does no longer exist - cripps on the decline and withering is off sulking again. walsh post back op, is no longer elite. and our bottom six depsite bringing in solid foot soldiers this offseason, is the league's worst bottom 6.



thats why modern afl requires a system. pies, cats, swans have a system. a player knows his role, knows where to be and what to do at all times. the system moves as one across the ground.

at carlton, we have a bunch of mediocre individuals, who weren't coached into any particular system, and run around autonomously doing their own thing. and in the case of 2nd halves - not running around, but standing still, hoping their mate will do the heavy lifting.


is a clusterfkk, it really is


Can't argue with that braithy. I do question our top 6 'stars'???

System bred into the players. Its generational.

At Sydney Roos morphed into Longmire who morphed into Cox. Same system, with a few tweaks to adapt to personnel
At Geelong Premiership coach Thompson morphed into Premiership coach Scott whose been there for 15 years

Yeah continuity helps. We have made bad decisions and then blown the place up and started again too many times since Pagan.



Yes but whatever it is it is getting very hard to keep turning up and watching!


Especially when there isn't a legacy of success, system and a reliable core group built over the last 10 yyears. That can't be fixed in one summer, but Austin can show us the Aces up his sleeve at the end of the year, because if he fails to deliver the gap fillers he's neglected....it will be an even harder watch....I will add Austin's name to those I cant face again.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 10:54 am 
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Interesting discussion on Almost Blues Brothers podcast this week about the parallels between our season and GW's first at Collingwood where they finished 17th under a "dead man walking" coach (Buckley) and lost 7 matches that they were leading at half time. Also noted that our VFL team is playing a consistently more modern brand of football and developing a winning culture, while the senior team seems to be more experimental in the way it prioritises ball movement one week and centre clearance the next. Might also explain selection decisions like promoting Saad over Wilson, giving the latter more time in the winning VFL than the PTSD AFL. And of course there's the clear tanking incentive the AFL has makey upped into the mix.

Obviously there are a LOT of unjoined dots in this theory, like how the putrid leadership and mental health issues fit any kind of plan, plus we don't have much track record of coherent thinking this century, but maybe... maybe?... this is the Wright blueprint?


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 3:41 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Interesting discussion on Almost Blues Brothers podcast this week about the parallels between our season and GW's first at Collingwood where they finished 17th under a "dead man walking" coach (Buckley) and lost 7 matches that they were leading at half time. Also noted that our VFL team is playing a consistently more modern brand of football and developing a winning culture, while the senior team seems to be more experimental in the way it prioritises ball movement one week and centre clearance the next. Might also explain selection decisions like promoting Saad over Wilson, giving the latter more time in the winning VFL than the PTSD AFL. And of course there's the clear tanking incentive the AFL has makey upped into the mix.

Obviously there are a LOT of unjoined dots in this theory, like how the putrid leadership and mental health issues fit any kind of plan, plus we don't have much track record of coherent thinking this century, but maybe... maybe?... this is the Wright blueprint?


Similarities but like you said a lot of unjoined dots.

Joe and his conspiracy theories. I enjoyed the listen. He also featured on Blue Abroad.
He's another Carlton tragic, like us, always thinking and hoping for next Golden Era.

Did you watch The Jumper Punch with mars on his own.

Gosh, I couldnt watch it all, had to fast forward. He didnt hold back. bit over the top for me.

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Carlton's pressure rating of 152 against St Kilda was its lowest of the season, but that's no surprise. The Blues are the only team in the AFL yet to have a single game this year where they've recorded a higher pressure rating than their opposition. Reaction Time @AFLcomau

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2026 8:40 pm 
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Carlton's pressure rating of 152 against St Kilda was its lowest of the season, but that's no surprise. The Blues are the only team in the AFL yet to have a single game this year where they've recorded a higher pressure rating than their opposition. Reaction Time @AFLcomau


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The players have given up. That was pretty obvious on the weekend, for the umpteenth time this century. If you're 28 you know you won't be winning a flag at Carlton & you sure as hell know you won't be under Voss.

That third quarter looked to me like not only giving up, but individuals who feel sorry for themselves.

But they also know they're still getting a very good pay packet, so there's that.

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As someone who gave up at work years ago and still takes the pay packet, I can confirm this approach is valid

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