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Surely we have a spot open now with Carroll injury.


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diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).
I'm making an assumption that what happened to Lij was self inflicted, which is why I think he'll be delisted.

I hope I'm wrong, because I bloody love him.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:07 pm 
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We have prepared to pay to Draft Walker, with two picks we have banked on him, and possibly a tiny deficit.

From there we do our best to secure the best hand for next year: FA, Trade and a surprise or two from the Sate Leagues. A No 1 Ruck, a KPF, a speedy HB a quality Mid, a new coach and another preseason under the kids' belts.

Getting a player like Riley in next week's MSD is a bonus we can do with, but not the end of the world if we don't. He doesn't fill the need for a bonafide No 1 ruck to win or nullify our biggest weakness imo, the CB. We will know in a few days time.

Walker is ours. He joins Walsh and Smith in the midfield. The future looks bright again.


We killed at CB against Port. even in Q3 and Q4. made a difference to our territory game. If only the inaccuracy missing from Q1 and Q2 didn't bite us on the arse in Q3 and Q4 we could have won by 100 points. Port would have probably dropped their bundle if we'd kicked straight in Q3.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:08 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).
I'm making an assumption that what happened to Lij was self inflicted, which is why I think he'll be delisted.

I hope I'm wrong, because I bloody love him.


ok, I'm prepared to think the Collingwood players were talking shit, or Lij was talking shit to them b/c he was in an altered state. but I've heard the same rumours you did I guess.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:09 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
LTI isn't delisting.
But, he may still be delisted.
100% he will be.

But the optics of putting him on the LTI list now is not good.


If the AFL are successful in putting protocols in place to prevent what happened to Elijah happening again to _any_ AFL player (as they seem to think is possible given that they fined CFC) then why is he 100% delisted? But maybe BamBam knows something most of us don't know. Seems to me a set of specific protocols for 'Lij wouldn't be hard for a professional medical team to establish and protect him from a repeat incident, if he actually wants to keep playing at AFL level. Otherwise the AFL measures being considered aren't worth the paper they're written on. Optics wouldn't be good if intention is to delist him. But if not the optics would be ok, assuming he wants to do another preseason and try again. who knows ? (rhetorical question, i dont think anybody here really knows all the details, nor should they share them if they did).


Strong point you make.

We could still put him on the LTI (doesn't look like they will), and give him another chance, like we did this year if the AFL has fixed their mess....and the AFL can return the unjust $75K penalty

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:14 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. If somebody properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and it had some core architecture with Energy-Based Models (EBMs) model or whatever is best for team ball sports then possibly. The Noyron TKL-5 was programmed to assist aerospace engineers and for one of its first assignments designed an exceedingly complex rocket engine with an aerospace nozzle and it spat out a very innovative design which a scale model of worked first firing. But there was a head coach or three, it wasn't just an "AI" chatbot. if they really could train something with some physics laws into it and train on a tonne of game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place. it would take a Richmond or Essendon* going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in football land, I think. Or a soccer club or NFL team going stratospheric in a season rallying on training patterns and game day tactics and positional structures pulled from an AI/ML model.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:22 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. I properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place and it would take a Richmond or Essendon** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in footy land I think.


Elon Musk will be releasing his bots soon, and he says they will replace most humans in the workspace. Does he have a 212cm bot that can jump and hit the ball exactly to the blokes on the floor wearing transponders? Mmmmmmmm

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:25 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. I properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place and it would take a Richmond or Essendon*** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in footy land I think.


Elon Musk will be releasing his bots soon, and he says they will replace most humans in the workspace. Does he have a 212cm bot that can jump and hit the ball exactly to the blokes on the floor wearing transponders? Mmmmmmmm


Elon Musk is too busy telling all the lies in the world to get his dodgy AF SpaceX IPO into orbit. That thing has crash and burn written all over it, it's already leveraged to hell and back and behind every milestone NASA ever set for SpaceX by many years. Landing on Mars in 2028… oh sure, not even a manless lander on the moon by then using SpaceX technology — i'm sure of it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:28 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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Agree Blue Vain.

Go in deficit next year. We have two 1st round picks.

Winning culture is what we need.

And trading Weiters. Thats insane. Our only current top line KB. No way. A new coach will sort him out.


Agree. Unless Weiters himself wants out, otherwise, stick your trade/top pick theories were they belong.
It seems we still haven’t learned what success is.
30 years of the same cr@9 and people still don’t understand why I get upset.

Weitering doesn’t hate to lose. He’s got that rusted on selfishness that just gets him through the weeks.

“Why give 100% when 35% will get you paid and laid.”

He’s had one game of proper selfless team defence & he’s gone into a reboot cycle of ‘tightness’ and ‘awareness’.

Port, Scum, Tigers, WEagles, Filth. I think they’re all gettable & we probably won’t climb up the ladder. We might find ourselves having won seven on the bounce, sitting 8-8 going up against the poos & wees. That’s not going to restore the damaged culture.

If they want redemption, it starts at Moorabbin. If the senior group can’t put up a fight there, elevate themselves above this inter-company scratch match intensity that they bring, then all they will have done is cut the legs out from under the future generations.


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 8:29 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
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Doc you’re the Williamstown guru - what’s your take on Joel Fitzgerald, knocks up getting possessions in the VFL, is he worth a look in MSD or not what we need right now?


He's Willy's Tom Stewart with one exception. Joel is great when he doesn't have responsibility for an opponent. Reads the play extremely well, great overhead, brings others into the play, but at the top level he'd get lost I reckon.



so, an immediate upgrade over anything we have, is what you're saying.

keep bringing the hate Braithy :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:13 pm 
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MSD tomorrow

Carlton have Pick 4

Carroll on LTI.

Obviously Harry O'Farrell will be welcomed back this year. :fight:

I'm guessing he will be back playing in the VFL in July, 11 months after he did his knee on August 3rd at Freo. :cry:

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2026 9:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
MSD tomorrow

Carlton have Pick 4

Carroll on LTI.

Obviously Harry O'Farrell will be welcomed back this year. :fight:

I'm guessing he will be back playing in the VFL in July, 11 months after he did his knee on August 3rd at Freo. :cry:

Seemed like the obvious decision.
Looking forward to seeing HOF and Dean in the same back line if I'm to be honest.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 12:33 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. If somebody properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and it had some core architecture with Energy-Based Models (EBMs) model or whatever is best for team ball sports then possibly. The Noyron TKL-5 was programmed to assist aerospace engineers and for one of its first assignments designed an exceedingly complex rocket engine with an aerospace nozzle and it spat out a very innovative design which a scale model of worked first firing. But there was a head coach or three, it wasn't just an "AI" chatbot. if they really could train something with some physics laws into it and train on a tonne of game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place. it would take a Richmond or Essendon** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in football land, I think. Or a soccer club or NFL team going stratospheric in a season rallying on training patterns and game day tactics and positional structures pulled from an AI/ML model.

Thankfully, recruiting footy players isn’t rocket science… not unless you want it to be.

Definitely not a game for amateurs.

All I’m saying is that, as of last week, the recruiting team is:

Chris Davies - an obsessed data nerd
Glenn Luff - formerly Champion Data
Brent Manson - list strategy, previously opposition analyst

Things are about to get mechanical.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 9:02 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We have prepared to pay to Draft Walker, with two picks we have banked on him, and possibly a tiny deficit.

From there we do our best to secure the best hand for next year: FA, Trade and a surprise or two from the Sate Leagues. A No 1 Ruck, a KPF, a speedy HB a quality Mid, a new coach and another preseason under the kids' belts.

Getting a player like Riley in next week's MSD is a bonus we can do with, but not the end of the world if we don't. He doesn't fill the need for a bonafide No 1 ruck to win or nullify our biggest weakness imo, the CB. We will know in a few days time.

Walker is ours. He joins Walsh and Smith in the midfield. The future looks bright again.


We killed at CB against Port. even in Q3 and Q4. made a difference to our territory game. If only the inaccuracy missing from Q1 and Q2 didn't bite us on the arse in Q3 and Q4 we could have won by 100 points. Port would have probably dropped their bundle if we'd kicked straight in Q3.


Missed this post last night.

Read what you like in our two recent wins. You can’t blame the Voss or Game Plan for our CB performance in second halves in every other game we played, including our win vs Tigers. There’s evidence shows we lost second halves to CB dominance from opposition rucks which was the source of 5-6 goals kicked against us in a row. It’s a nightmare etched. Surely you recall a bit of that. Happened every other game.

It’s already been said that we won the midfield battle in the last 2 weeks, but have to be mindful against Bulldogs with no English !!! no Libba and Bont and Richard’s on one leg, and a lone Lobbe in the ruck making them short in the backline… and against Port against Sweet who isn’t tall and doesn’t jump Pitto won that 10-7 HO to advantage, and Harry rucking 10 mins every quarter, robbing us a KPF whilst we bombed it forward 15 times before we kicked one goal. Our shots at goal in the 3rd were rushed except for Byrnes howler. Go have another look. The benefit of robbing our forwardline of our sole KPF was preserving Pittonet for the last quarter.

There’s a trend we must be mindful of. The ‘sugar hit’ against weak opposition shouldn’t mask our reality. Harry has rarely won a CB against better bonafide ruckmen and Pittonet can’t compete against jumping rucks as the game wears on.

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 9:07 am 
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Crusader wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Watching Matt Carroll have a good season, Jagga impress last night and provide plenty of excitement for the future, along with the recent improvement of Wilson and Cowan, makes me think Austin did a reasonable job. He was probably treated a bit harshly and made a scapegoat for our poor performances under Voss.

I’m a bit concerned that the position will be rewritten with much of the work turned over to an LLM.

If you give a hammer to an idiot, he’s not a carpenter. He’s a dangerous idiot.

I really doubt an LLM is up to the job this year or next year. If somebody properly trained ML/AI on all kinds of AFL transponder data and it had some core architecture with Energy-Based Models (EBMs) model or whatever is best for team ball sports then possibly. The Noyron TKL-5 was programmed to assist aerospace engineers and for one of its first assignments designed an exceedingly complex rocket engine with an aerospace nozzle and it spat out a very innovative design which a scale model of worked first firing. But there was a head coach or three, it wasn't just an "AI" chatbot. if they really could train something with some physics laws into it and train on a tonne of game stats (and vision?!) could possibly be first assistance coach, but AFL is a pretty conservative place. it would take a Richmond or Essendon*** going from 17th to GF in a season to convince the old heads in football land, I think. Or a soccer club or NFL team going stratospheric in a season rallying on training patterns and game day tactics and positional structures pulled from an AI/ML model.

Thankfully, recruiting footy players isn’t rocket science… not unless you want it to be.

Definitely not a game for amateurs.

All I’m saying is that, as of last week, the recruiting team is:

Chris Davies - an obsessed data nerd
Glenn Luff - formerly Champion Data
Brent Manson - list strategy, previously opposition analyst

Things are about to get mechanical.


That’s a great reminder Cru.
A scientific approach rather than a gut feel.
List Management and recruitment is not for amateurs.

I can howl and cry about our gaps, but I’m sure the above are all over it. Outside of Game Plan, they would know where we lost, why we lost, what we needed and the shortfalls of those we have.

I’m sure Manson and Luff would know exactly who our FA, Trade and Draft targets are to fill the gaps.

I’ll shut up now…..and excited to see who they pick today.

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Why don't we put Elijah on the inactive roster? I mean realistically the troubled young man who needs our support , will never play for us again.

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Carlton is eyeing Tigers VFL forward Sam Toner in tonight’s mid-season draft. Had 25 disposals and 3 goals in his final audition.

Toner had a medical and interview with the Blues on Monday.

Late mail with @PaulAmy375 + @chriscavanagh1: http://bit.ly/4fHtHTS @superfooty

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Maybe they need someone to help out with the photocopiers up in admin.


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2026 3:44 pm 
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At a guess we might be looking at him for better wing coverage.
This video has him on the wing for a lot of his disposals, presumably as a HF pushing up the ground.
So he could be at HF so Hayward can get a run on the wing or to give Ainsworth more of a run in the middle.
Seems like a flexible option, he must be better than F Young in their eyes.
Either way, good to see we are adding more speed and someone who can hit targets and kick goals.
That's if we can get him.
His nickname should be Xerox.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1525622/vfl-showreel-r9-sam-toner-highlights?videoId=1525622&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1779519111001

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Sam Toner
Height: 184cm
Weight:
D.O.B: 23-10-2005
STRENGTHS:
+ Pressure acts
+ Scoreboard impact
+ Speed
+ Vertical leap
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Endurance
- Size
A genuine smokey who has come from the clouds to be considered a draft chance this year is Dandenong Stingrays forward Sam Toner. He spent most of the year kicking bags of goals in local footy for Narre Warren, booting 50 before earning a call-up to the Coates Talent League. He was an over-ager, and had never been an interleague representative.
The 19-year-old's rapid development translated to 10 goals in his first three CTL appearances, including five in just his second outing. He broke his wrist the fourth time out, ending his season, but he had done more than enough to pique the interest of AFL recruiters. Such intrigue showed when Toner was invited to the Victorian state draft combine.
Offering great energy and speed through the ball, Toner is capable of pushing high up the ground to create turnovers or link the play going inside 50. He is also effective closer to goal where he so often impacts the scoreboard. Toner impressed with his vertical leap at the combine, though has a ways to go in terms of improving his conditioning and size.
DRAFT RANGE: Late/Rookie


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Maybe they need someone to help out with the photocopiers up in admin.


:lol: :lol:

I'll call him Al.

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