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Shiek, good thinking on the Adelaide Cup holiday.

What about the following from left field: Sell our home game against Adelaide to Adelaide Oval and play it on Adelaide Cup day Holiday. You would get atleast 30 000 plus in because no one goes the horse race anyway, SACA would give us truck loads of money for it and the adelaide oval is a great place to play footy.

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Adelaide Cup Day is the best and most realistic idea to date.

Also not too far for Melb and Syd fans to get to.

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It's hardly a day that is going to capture the imaginations of the nation, and therefore, the AFL though. Is it?

Still, I guess it's all about bums on seats, and if something can be done that benefits the club, then I'm all for it.

I manitain though, that if the club got in the ears of Channel 7 about supporting the Good Friday Appeal that the AFL could be swung around. Use the Appeal as the selling point and how can the AFL refuse? Helping sick kids has to be one of the most worthy causes around. The clubs involved could donate a percentage of gate receipts. One dollar from every pie sold could go towards the appeal. One dollar from every bottle of Coca-Cola likewise … whatever, get the community support behind the event and we'll effectively tie the AFL's hands for them.

Making them an offer they cannot refuse is the key.

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On the mothers day idea with the bombers personally it wouldn't really suit. As my mum doesn't really like the footy (she is a sydney girl) if my dad and I want to go to the footy we have to make a deal. I think we are going to have saturday dinner instead of sunday so that we can go.
Would others have this problem with mothers wanting to be with their kids on mothers day but not wanting to go to the footy?


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It's hardly a day that is going to capture the imaginations of the nation, and therefore, the AFL though. Is it?

Still, I guess it's all about bums on seats, and if something can be done that benefits the club, then I'm all for it.


The reason I put up those options was so that if implemented, the club would have 5 major matches to look forward to every year in addition to the Pies & Bombers. This should, if all are marketed correctly, mean a major increase in the amount of gatetakings the clubs recieves. Furthermore, the club would be able to guarantee interstate members that they will see the Blues live in their specific state every year (apart from NSW) which should assist with patronage & potential memberships for the future.

Just because the holiday is not a national one, doesn't mean that it won't produce good results locally.

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It's a good idea in principle, Sheik, but aren't we limited to the number of things we can 'request' for the draw each year?

Wouldn't this make the practicalities of trying to develop 5 games very difficult.


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It's hardly a day that is going to capture the imaginations of the nation, and therefore, the AFL though. Is it?

Still, I guess it's all about bums on seats, and if something can be done that benefits the club, then I'm all for it.


The reason I put up those options was so that if implemented, the club would have 5 major matches to look forward to every year in addition to the Pies & Bombers. This should, if all are marketed correctly, mean a major increase in the amount of gatetakings the clubs recieves. Furthermore, the club would be able to guarantee interstate members that they will see the Blues live in their specific state every year (apart from NSW) which should assist with patronage & potential memberships for the future.

Just because the holiday is not a national one, doesn't mean that it won't produce good results locally.


Agreed. And if we could do it and it worked, then fantastic. But given we'd need the AFL's blessing to effectively guarantee us a timeslot each and every year, unless the AFL also gets to come out smelling of roses I think our chances are pretty slim.

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It's a good idea in principle, Sheik, but aren't we limited to the number of things we can 'request' for the draw each year?

Wouldn't this make the practicalities of trying to develop 5 games very difficult.


We dont have to request them all. If we worked out deals with each of the other 5 clubs then we could request 3 and let Adelaide request the Adelaide Cup game and Essendon* the Mothers Day clash

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Furthermore, the club would be able to guarantee interstate members that they will see the Blues live in their specific state every year (apart from NSW) which should assist with patronage & potential memberships for the future.


Why screw us over on this, Sheik?

Yeah, I can see that a country town with a few people is more important than the biggest and most diverse City in the country, with the largest (IMO) Carlton support in the country.

Just doesn't make sense.

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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It's a good idea in principle, Sheik, but aren't we limited to the number of things we can 'request' for the draw each year?

Wouldn't this make the practicalities of trying to develop 5 games very difficult.


We dont have to request them all. If we worked out deals with each of the other 5 clubs then we could request 3 and let Adelaide request the Adelaide Cup game and Essendon* the Mothers Day clash


Exactly right Brad, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Smart negotiating and some shrewd lobbying to the AFL and anything is possible.

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Furthermore, the club would be able to guarantee interstate members that they will see the Blues live in their specific state every year (apart from NSW) which should assist with patronage & potential memberships for the future.


Why screw us over on this, Sheik?

Yeah, I can see that a country town with a few people is more important than the biggest and most diverse City in the country, with the largest (IMO) Carlton support in the country.

Just doesn't make sense.


Kappy, we have to play 11 games as the home team & 11 games as the away team. Why then is it that we would be getting screwed over ??

Under my proposal, we would have 5 blockbuster games (assuming they are all marketed & worked on to get a full house each time) every year that we can get some decent $$$ for. The fact that some of them get played interstate is irrelevant, we can 'get into bed' with the other clubs to make those fixtures work for an agreed percentage of the gate. If the Pies & the Bombers can split the takings equitably for Anzac Day then what is to stop us doing it evenly with the three interstate clubs ??

We have solid support in both Perth & Adelaide so we would be virtually guarenteeing that our people would ensure a full house at both venues. A new rivalry can be established in QLD with constant yearly marketing of the game there.

I really fail to see how the club is getting bent over in this proposal. If travelling interstate three times every season is the reason then there's only one we need to remember - welcome to the national league.

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If Adelaide cup day is no good, then play it on the Sunday night before in Adelaide. Still get a truck load of people going, still get a truck load of cash from Adelaide oval and now the added factor of:

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My point is more that Sydney ends up as the "poor cousin" when it comes to interstate trips.

We play twice in Adelaide and Perth every single year, yet in Sydney once every maybe 3-4 years. Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong, Essendon*, and Melbourne get almost guaranteed Sydney matches every year.

I could even live with matches in Sydney every second year, but we don't even get that.

Why look to pandering to a tiny crowd in Perth, when we could look towards growing support in a city of 5 million?

Why are we trailing behind Collingwood and Essendon* when it comes to pushing the club in the biggest, and fastest growing AFL market in the country?

And I understand what you're getting at, but why leave such a big city as Sydney to the Filth and Scum?

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I gotcha now, wasn't sure where you were heading with it.

As for playing in Adelaide twice a year, that's not always right either.

I was looking to include a game in Sydney but could not find a suitable date/holiday. To get any sort of bandwagon momentum up here, there needs to be a reason for the game, you know how fickle they are here.

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I gotcha now, wasn't sure where you were heading with it.

As for playing in Adelaide twice a year, that's not always right either.

I was looking to include a game in Sydney but could not find a suitable date/holiday. To get any sort of bandwagon momentum up here, there needs to be a reason for the game, you know how fickle they are here.


Fair point about Adelaide, but the years we play there are few and far between.

When's Diesel's birthday?

How perfect would it be playing for the "Greg Williams Medal" for BOG, on the weekend nearest his birthday, given he won a Brownlow for each club?

Of course, the player landing the biggest hit would get the "David Rhys-Jones award"

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What about the Minton-Connell Mintie … it could be a triangular Mintie with the Doggies as well.

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