Kouta re-signs for 2007

Dukes · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:42 am

It's encouraging the club is now offering realistic contracts to players ... it started with Lappin last year and now Kouta ... long may it continue!

With the club in debt it's irresponsible to be paying much money outside the salary cap unless it is absolutely necessary. I think we all agree Kouta has been very well paid in the past and if he wants to play it will have to be on drastically reduced money. However, his performances have been amazing and even after his knee injuries he reinvented himself into an inside midifielder and has won our B&F and been a valuable contributor as club captain.

The fact is no player is worth $1.1m per year given the salary cap ... it just took us longer than any other club to work that out.

Rudy · **Joined:** Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:44 pm **Posts:** 99

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Beat me to it BB. That would have to be the worst outlook to try and say that Allison is just representing Kouta's wishes. We all know who drives these media negotiations.

The one problem is that Kouta does allow this guy to represent him and whatever Allison says does reflect on Kouta...unfortunately

He pays Allisons wages does he not?? He then has the ability to dictate what he wants to be portrayed in the media.

I am aware of the dispruption Allison has caused with player negotiations over the year, however the buck stops with the players. I doubt our captain is disappointed with what has been reported this morning.

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4629

london blue wrote:

very well put billc.....i would agree with your logic

and the motto is? nice guys get beaten up every time because they are trying to please everyone

Agree totally, at the end of the day though, Kouta has to live with himself. If he feels that he has done the right thing (even though trying to please everyone rarely works) then that's all he can achieve

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

Rudy wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Who do you think you are with your rolling eyes emoticon??? How does your opinion hold more credence than that of others??

I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton icon.

Why doesn't he take a leaf out of Buckley's or Hird's book, proper clubmen who still contribute significantly both on and off field. How does our captain feel hard done by when an offer of $200,000 is put before him?? He's greedy!!!

What example does he set the younger players when he fails to raise a gallop in a chase? The bloke rarely raises a sweat and he feels that he has more of the same to contribute next year. No thanks, he can miss off. You can remain sentimental as much as you like.

If the bloke was such an influence on the field then we wouldn't be 10 wins from 100. Same goes with Whitnall and you can even through in Stevens to the mix. We successfully removed camporeale last year, time to remove these two also.

I agree with Rudy actually (with the exception of Whitnall, I think he has a bit to give the club) but Kouta has been paid on reputation and not output, so for mine, he can accept the 200K or not.

He definately deserves a testimonial as Agro mentioned.

blueboy8 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:13 pm **Posts:** 972

AGRO wrote:

$200,000 for one year if he keeps that F@%&#! nuckle Allison as a manager.

$300,000 for one year if he F@%&#! Allison off as a manager.

And if he decides to retire give him a testimonial, befitting his rank as a great Carlton player.

Totally agree

Blue Bird · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:59 am

Rudy wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Who do you think you are with your rolling eyes emoticon??? How does your opinion hold more credence than that of others??

I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton icon.

Why doesn't he take a leaf out of Buckley's or Hird's book, proper clubmen who still contribute significantly both on and off field. How does our captain feel hard done by when an offer of $200,000 is put before him?? He's greedy!!!

What example does he set the younger players when he fails to raise a gallop in a chase? The bloke rarely raises a sweat and he feels that he has more of the same to contribute next year. No thanks, he can miss off. You can remain sentimental as much as you like.

If the bloke was such an influence on the field then we wouldn't be 10 wins from 100. Same goes with Whitnall and you can even through in Stevens to the mix. We successfully removed camporeale last year, time to remove these two also.

I don't think my opinion is any more acceptable than anyone else's but I have a problem with your kind of revisionist history that proclaims Kouta doesn't contribute to the club and is a "disgrace".

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:02 am

bluechucky wrote:

Rudy wrote:

Blue Bird wrote:

Rudy wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Allison's last grasp opportunity to screw our club.

Its a shame he's going to drag Kouta down with him.

Can someone please ask Kouta if this is how he wants to be remembered....squabbling over his last contract

Hold on a second, Allison works on behalf of Koutafidies, he's only trumpeting what his employer feels and wants.

Our captain is a disgrace, has been for at least 5 years. His input on the field is minimal, doesn't chase, harrass, do anything in the way of leadership and he feels he's worth more than $200,000.

I can't wait to see the back of him, it's been a long time coming and it can't come soon enough.

Thanks for illustrating exactly what I was talking about. :roll:

Who do you think you are with your rolling eyes emoticon??? How does your opinion hold more credence than that of others??

I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton icon.

Why doesn't he take a leaf out of Buckley's or Hird's book, proper clubmen who still contribute significantly both on and off field. How does our captain feel hard done by when an offer of $200,000 is put before him?? He's greedy!!!

What example does he set the younger players when he fails to raise a gallop in a chase? The bloke rarely raises a sweat and he feels that he has more of the same to contribute next year. No thanks, he can miss off. You can remain sentimental as much as you like.

If the bloke was such an influence on the field then we wouldn't be 10 wins from 100. Same goes with Whitnall and you can even through in Stevens to the mix. We successfully removed camporeale last year, time to remove these two also.

I agree with Rudy actually (with the exception of Whitnall, I think he has a bit to give the club) but Kouta has been paid on reputation and not output, so for mine, he can accept the 200K or not.

He definately deserves a testimonial as Agro mentioned.

chucky, I think you should specify which parts you agree with...unless you do think our Captain is a disgrace :shock:

I agree Kouta should accept the $200k or walk away, but labelling him a disgrace and saying he's driving this negotiation and not Allison is where Rudy's argument falls away.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:07 am

I think I might enjoy the next few months. :lol:

Amazing how things come home to roost eventually.

For the record - Kouta was offered $1 million over 5 years by the Swans. That was the highest offer. Carlton tried to call on his loyalty to the club and accept about 80% of that...then 90%...

Players such as Voss, Buckley and Hird (who all provide far greater leadership and off-field promotional benefits to their respective clubs) have all accepted contracts from their clubs below what others were willing to pay.

Kouta and his buddy Dave said they'd walk if Carlton didn't match the Swans offer. Elliott caved in despite the reservations of other Carlton people involved in the negotiations.

I wouldn't even offer him $50K. All he'd be doing by playing on is taking one senior spot from an up and coming kid. Give me an additional Hartlett/Bower/O'hAilpin/Edwards/etc in the side next year over Kouta any day.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:10 am

Rudy wrote:

â€¦I was the first person back on the TBV days to highlight the worth or lack of worth of this supposed Carlton iconâ€¦

Yeah, you also tried to tell everyone that Kouta was going to retire in 2003/04 with dodgy hamstrings.

Your position as a Kouta-basher is clear.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:11 am

stretford blue wrote:

Allison is about to come on SEN......guess I don't have to take my Metamucil this morning.....

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:01 pm

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=287893

Official statement from the club, clarifying that it is not a pay-cut.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

The creep Alison was on SEN and claimed that the story in the HS was not from him but leaked from the club and also made a lot of other claims , including that he does not do it for money and nearly manages players for next to nothing etc. What a lying piece of crap he is....

stretford blue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:15 pm

mikkey wrote:

The creep Alison was on SEN and claimed that the story in the HS was not from him but leaked from the club and also made a lot of other claims , including that he does not do it for money and nearly manages players for next to nothing etc. What a lying piece of crap he is....

You know, I started to listen and then BAM, I had to visit the smallest room in the house. Anyone got a match?

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:07 pm

That's not a bad statement from the club. Very clearly states that they're happy to deal with Kouta on their terms. By asking him to commit to playing before discussing dollars they're essentially forcing him to make his decision based on playing rather than financial incentives.

If he decides to play on and then can't agree to a contract he's seen as only in it for the money.

If he decides to retire no harm done all round.

Whoever's handling these negotiations (Malouf?) has made a good start.

mizrachi · **Joined:** Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:39 pm **Posts:** 27

If the rumours are true, I'm actaully really REALLY peed off with the club.

$200K ?
Are you serious ?
What sort of an offer is that ???????

He's not even worth $100K (if that !)

Yes he has been a champion but you cannot remunerte him based on past performance. Unfortunately he is now too old and too slow and just takes the space of another player's development on the field.

As for his leadership skills, watch him and watch Lance during a game and you tell me who really is our on-field leader.

In the past he has been great and as such, was remunerated greatly.
If anything, he has been remunerated for more than what he was worth. As good as he was at the time he signed his current contract, the likes of Buckley/Voss/Hird were just as good if not better - yet Kouta got paid heaps more !!! - Where's the logic ???

If Kouta and his F%#@ wit manager reckon he is worth more, then go see what the other clubs are willing to pay. Guarantee you it won't be $200K.

Thanks for the memories Kouta. You've been great. But this is about the club - NOT YOU. So while you can, please leave while we still hold you in high regard.

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:13 pm

mizrachi, while you're obviously anti-Kouta, 200k is barely above the agreed minimums for a player of his age.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:14 pm

GWS wrote:

That's not a bad statement from the club. Very clearly states that they're happy to deal with Kouta on their terms. By asking him to commit to playing before discussing dollars they're essentially forcing him to make his decision based on playing rather than financial incentives.

If he decides to play on and then can't agree to a contract he's seen as only in it for the money.

If he decides to retire no harm done all round.

Whoever's handling these negotiations (Malouf?) has made a good start.

If it was being handled correctly you and I and everybody else in the world wouldn't know about it

Koutamagic · **Joined:** Fri May 27, 2005 1:59 pm **Posts:** 126

hi all, word is they offered him a $500K reduction, meaning would be on $400K next year.

GWS · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:24 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

GWS wrote:

That's not a bad statement from the club. Very clearly states that they're happy to deal with Kouta on their terms. By asking him to commit to playing before discussing dollars they're essentially forcing him to make his decision based on playing rather than financial incentives.

If he decides to play on and then can't agree to a contract he's seen as only in it for the money.

If he decides to retire no harm done all round.

Whoever's handling these negotiations (Malouf?) has made a good start.

If it was being handled correctly you and I and everybody else in the world wouldn't know about it

If it was being handled correctly Koutoufides wouldn't have Dangerous Dave handing stories to the Herald Sun and jumping up and down on SEN saying "it's a disgrace".

Why is it always Dave Allison's stable who negotiate their contracts through the media? Perhaps there's a common link there somewhere...

Haven't you noticed that when the club leaks something it goes to the Age (Smorgon donates 6 figure sum to Carlton) and when it's outside of the club it goes to the Herald Sun (Kouta to take $900K pay cut)?

kingkerna · **Posted:** Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:26 pm

GWS - for the record - I agree with you! :shock:

Kouta re-signs for 2007

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