Definitely.

Means I'd get to see the Blues more often!

Just as long as we're not dumb enough to make one of the matches against Sydney - those become effectively Sydney home matches.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Deano!

ROOOOOAAAADDDD TRRRRRIPPPP!!!!

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Count me in.

That'd be f*ckin' unreal.

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Putting aside our selfish reasons regarding seeing the team play, I'm not sure why if we could argue successfully in a legal forum that we deserve the PP, then this should be conditional on anything? I'm not sure Synbad whether or not your hypothetical (assuming that's what it is) is based on anything you've heard but I reckon if we can argue successfully we get the pick and that's it, and if unsuccessful then well at least we tried. I guess what I'm saying is that I question whether the passage of time and Carlton's troubles in the period since we were deprived of the PP should necessarily subject our reception of the pick to AFL-imposed terms and conditions.

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I'm with the man from DX...we are on life support from the AFL yet we are taking them on?....or is it just more charity but under a different label so other clubs dont take offense..a reward for keeping Pagan in the fold....
I would have thought challenging at the time was the right way to go about it...not when we have our hearts and minds controlled by the AFL who have a tight grip on our gonads...

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- Conor Gillen

"We need all the young picks we can get"

flower... Please Sir, I want some more

What a yello-bellied namby-pamby ankle grabber.... I bet he likes to toss salad too.

Not exactly the attitude of a pro-active President... I say even if he manages to land the PP (either one will do), he gets the chop... It will just be metaphorical.

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The Game wrote



So why aren't you confident/interested in claiming for emancipation?

Did we refrain from sacking a coach because of AFL influence? Source? If so, is that not a breach of the AFL's charter? Intimidation....worse than that...?

Given the AFL forgot, does that imply it was just to do so in the first place? If they forgot, then another logical way to look at it is that the PP wasn't not included! If it was written it should be, if not, it's excluded. Simple. They didn't cross the t's and dot the i's. That's not our problem. Do you have a problem with that The Game? But yet they imposed it on us, and you all know the result...are you comfortable with that?

How can you have faith in a commission that forgets to administer all the pain they can muster, yet in their favour I guess they probably felt they were pushing past the limits when they imposed the CFC with what they did.

Collins sold us out! No question IMO. I'm not an idiot, and I've believed this all along. Conspiracy, possibility? It was implicated by association, and obvious. It wasn't the members that didn't do anything about it! When did the members decide to not challenge? We trusted the Collins board. There's definetely a conflict of interest I can smell, feel and taste, (Collins, AFL, Telstra Stadium deal, AFL) and so does an Essendon* supporter who I know very well (a lawyer and opponent) and hates CFC...and so on....(ie everyone that is non Carlton I've asked about such a challenge has agreed that it's the right thing to do by its members).

Ask the members if they would challenge the AFL's 2002 decision back in 2002, or even after the 2003 draft when we were allowed a PP, if they were given the option, and my guess is that they would! They weren't given the option! Simple. They were none the wiser! Sue Collins for negligence, and let the Telstra stadium pay his due; they'll still be infront.

Do you not give this a chance The Game? Would you prefer to give it a go or not? I guess you have to ask yourself, what have I/CFC got to gain, and what have I/CFC got to lose? That'll help.

I'll get back to Synbad's question at Quarter time, my guests are calling me downstairs. Thank god they know I'm pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and have been since 2002 when we didn't challenge the AFL. Now is my time, yes I'm dreaming The Game, I'm dreaming of justice, if not anything else!!.

We're Carlton F^(())&)) the rest!!!...and they'll know that they've been playing against the famous old dark blues.

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Elwood wrote



We've got what we want from the AFL,there's no more... now we want justice!!

I suspect and hope that is the reason why we/ the board have been so quiet (inept from the outside)for so long, and now we are in a position to strike back.

Nothing to lose!!!!!!!!!

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Abso-fucking-lutely??

If "The Spew" doesnt like it then we hand back the license.

He will be the flower that has to find 8 games every weekend to provide the Free-to-Air Networks. You dont get $780 million for nothing you fat arsed arrogant lying tosser.

Melbourne Victory wear Navy Blue.

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Winston Churchill

Sorry to say you are wrong. 99% of Carlton supporters (on the internet anyway) were happy to accept the decision because we cheated and deserved it.

It was going to "MAKE US STRONGER"

We were going to "SHOVE IT UP THE AFL"

LOL

Just shows how deluded most supporters are.

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Are you going to smite someone or are you just going to spout I told you so's???

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Carlton God wrote



I'm not wrong. I'm just stating the facts. I was a member back then, I was given no option, and that to me is empirical evidence; not cross section guess work. CG, what I stated was that the Members were not given the option!

In summary: There was no mention of the PP as part of the penalty, nor was there an option put forward to the members to fight the penalty. Elliot did!!...and I'm no fan of Elliot, except to say that he was prepared to fight the penalty as an option, where the Collins group accepted the penalty as if there was no other option. Negligent Collins !! Negligent Demetriou!! Now lets stick it up them for such an inept assault on MY CLUB!!

There was no precedence for such a penalty, let alone making up the penalty rules regarding the PP, as they went along, and the fact is from my understanding, that the PP was not included in the penalty (in writing)...and if it was why diod we get the PP in 2003...because it was part of the equalisation policy, not the draft methodology. If anyome needed equalisation, it's the bottom team, and you shouldn't take a PP away from them (or they go down the gurgler, or remain uncompetitive). and there's a good reason for its existence in the first place. We qualified.

Negligence on the part of Collins, The Board and the AFL Commission.

Lets stick it up them, and let them learn that the CLUB is always bigger than the individual (that being Collins and Demetriou).

We're Carlton, and F^(*(*) the rest!!....and they'll know that they've been playing against the FAMOUS old dark BLUES.

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PS Carlton God:

The tens of thousands of members are not represented by an internet sub section response !!!

Gees, they say 1 in 4 homes have access to the internet, but let me inform you, this number includes all the dormant PC's sitting in over 1000 corporates. ie Telstra have over 100,000 PC's and mum and dad who are members don't have access to them, yet are included in the 1 to 4 count.

Not relevant to me Carlton God. I choose to be pragmatic than base my reality on spontaneous case studies which are fraught with their inherent limitations.

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OK. Well 99% on the internet and 99% of the ones I know in real life then!! Is that better??

The feeling??? We were already broke and spending more $$$$$$ in court would be pissing away money we don't even have!

People were more worried about the fine than the draft picks! So given the option to members would have been a complete waste of time!

and ARGO, did you learn a new word or something? You are so cool.

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Synbad wrote



I think that the Canberra suits me (ROAD TRIP from Sydney) but my bias is irrelevant as far as the cause is concerned.

If there was to be tooing and froing with the decision for a PP with the AFL prior to this year's draft, which would delay an inevitable decision in our favour, then despite the fact I'm a patient type, I'd take the Canberra offer now...based on " Bird in the hand..." when it really counts. Superdraft. Next year's draft is another year away. We'll be there for the early picks (ruckmen) anyway.

We've got to do whatever it takes to rise up the ladder as quickly as possible, as well as challenging the suppressor (The AFL). Justice must prevail, after all these years of being forced to bite our lip (to CG, I wasn't part of any trivial internet poll).

I'm more in favour of all home games being played where the core of our members/support is, and wher our home is, and that means at home; Melbourne.

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There must be a large TICK option on this keyboard, somewhere...

Here's another word Carlton Dog you're @#$%&! dyslexic.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Not me sunshine!

I urged the club the following Monday and condemned the AFL. I realised the sheer magnitude of damage the draft penalties were going to take. The $1M was chook-feed compared to the draft penalties. What's $1M dollars in todays footy budget??!! F#^k all

The removal of draft picks is the one that did the damage. The cost of this is immeasurable. We already had a shite list at the time and were denied our real 1st chance to recruit prime talent.

I still would prefer the club to lead this fight with the removal of the pre-draft PP this year regardless. This to me is unacceptable and a massive injustice. But legal advise appears to differ on the best approach

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C'mon Blueboys!

we cheated, we got punished (yes severely, but it wasn't our first breach), get over it.

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Go Blues

99%






Calculated. Accounted for. Assured of. All there. In front of.

PERFECTLY invisible.