I dont mind you calling me a wanker... after all its just you saying it...

And i did argie the point.. you just choose to not understand the point.

should i have to explain it to you again????

NOBODY WANTS TO INVEST IN A CLUB WHO HAS A PRESIDENT AND A CEO WITH NO IDEAS AND NO PLAN AND DOESNT INVEST IN HIMSELF....
THEY ONLY INVEST IN PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PLAN INTO THE FUTURE AND ARE PREPARED TO BACK IT BY INVESTING INTO IT THEMSELVES..
ALSO AFTER AN AFL REPORT WAS DAMNING!!!!

Phewwww... i hope this bloke can understand that... and doesnt ask the same hypothertical question again.


Your point is mute because nobody believes in him and thats why he cant get the money.. not because he is unlucky and everybody hates him he thinks he will eat some worms.. big one little ones.. fat and juicy ones.... ewwwwwwwwwwww worms!!!

He just doesnt have it!!!

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I cant wait for a board that we all have faith in and is able to:

Exhibit enterprising and entrepreneurial capability in developing the brand and growing the business into the best football business in the country

Governs the club in a way that is not subject to the dictatorial demands of the AFL

Has the ability to generate the revenues that are required to support its plans

Develops and nurtures the players using the most effective and up to date methods.

Face it were failing in every area – Im praying for change

Simple point and I sincerely hope that the recipient has a smattering of intelligence in order to understand it. (Is that okay Dannyboy?)

Smorgon and the new ticket are not coming from an even playing field, so firing off shots about what plan may or may not be in place or is capable of being in place, is all pie in the sky. All we know for sure is that what is happening now is not working for us so we have to go where the money is. We do not know how the current administration would go with the same backing, because it has not and will not happen.

Preach the positives of one ticket, not the unmeasurable negatives of the other ticket. Simple really ... unless of course, some enjoy discrediting and undermining solid Carlton people without all the facts. Certain people do seem to thrive on the negative even when it is about to change .... which is a real shame.

The problem is the Board's record in many of the important areas required to promote the Club into a positive position, financially and membership wise, as well as on field, is poor.

A history of poor public image, dithering over things like Pagan, clear disunity, poor public performances by the CEO etc.

It seems like for every positive, they generate 2 negatives. The Thornton/Russel scenarios should never have occurred, specially Thornton's. Piss poor management with their eyes off the ball, dithering over Pagan.

We only have to go back a few years to see the difference in presentation from this Board, and the way Hawthorn have sold their rebuilding process.

WHile it is possibly fair to say part of the difference is due to the "we are Carlton, this does not happen to us" mentality prevalent among supporters (and the we can stay in a 30k capacity run down stadium until doomsday attitude of some neanderthals), the Board has made no inroads, after 4 years, into actually promoting and implementing a positive can do perception of anything whch is happening at the Club.

It's a sad state of affairs when the main positives from 2006 were first pick in the draft and that they held firm on Thornton and Russell wanting to leave.

Nothing that has happened in the last 12 months inspires me with any confidence in the way the Club is being run.

And we do know we have lost coterie members who are unlikely to return until there is a perception that things have changed, and that they can have confidence in the way the Club is run.

Dont want to jump the gun but something big might happen this Friday

The fact that they can't get the same backing should give you a fair idea of what the backers think of how they would go with the money.

Smorgons been very busy with the merger between his Steel group and 'One Steel.'
Hes been interstate for the past couple of days, but dont be surprised if he gives the 'business interests' excuse if/ when he stands down...

That is opinion because they have not and will not operate under the same circumstances. Why pot Carlton people when you don't need to? They will be out, the new ones will be in, that is what everyone wants. Why the hatchet job all the time, based on what people reckon they would do in the same situation? It's just unnecessary and unbecoming to boot.

What hatchet job?????

He isnt capable and thats all...

why defend something thats rotten???... dont you care???

Thats what i want to know...

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I accept what you are saying HP. I am not being an apologist for the current board and I feel I have to keep reiterating that I am not a fan of Smorgon. When he potted Pagan about the youth policy earlier in the year, I was one of what I perceived was a minority, who had a shot of him over it.

I have two points and I have maintained them consistently throughout.

*The circumstances inherited by the current board and the new ticket were and will be different due to the cash injection. Now I don't care that faith is bringing about the cash injection. If that is the case, it just need to be stated that they money men don't have faith in Smorgon and do have faith in the new ticket, and that is that.

When you start comparing plans however, it is like comparing apples and oranges. It can never be accurately compared when one is planning from -$7m and the other is planning from $0. One is always going to be more conservative.

Now granted that Smorgon appears to be conservative in nature (although Smorgon Steel is generally pretty progressive in my dealings with them) and it is possible that if he was starting out with a clean balance, he may still dither and stumble and appear to be heading nowhere. We can only speculate on that as it has not and will not happen.

* There is no reason to continue on potting an administration and a president who have Carlton's best interests at heart and who have done more than we have ever done. The new ticket is a sure thing. Plan or otherwise, it is the money that is going to get them up. Supporters continually potting the administration over things they have done or not done is one thing, continually potting the club over things people believe they would have done given the same circumstances is another thing again.

I'd like to think I'd contiunue to defend fellow Blues people against unneeded criticism when they have done nothing but give an honest account of themselves, whether they are up to it or not.

This deal is all but done, people are salivating over the prospect, if they haven't got anything nice to say about the current board, then it probably does our public image a lot of good to not say anything further at all.

Is your middle name.. 'How High''???

Just from what you just posted.. you prove you dont have a clue about where were at.. and whats going on...

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If only that was all you say. You pick apart every decision made and shout down anybody who is happy with any board decision. If it was up to you, then this current board have not had one single positive, regardless of how small, that isn't just a load of spin.



It's not a case of defending them. It's a case of what needs to be said and what doesn't. If they are merrily going on their way being incompetent with no salvation in sight, you would consider it your duty to be vocal and hold them accountable.

Now that you know salvation is coming, you continue to talk about the negatives of the current board. To what end? What purpose does that serve now?

That's what I want to know.

Just because you want to know doesnt mean i have to tell you...

Does it?????

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LOL. False bravado mate. Quote an argument and respond with nothing in trademark style.

You crack me up.

Synbad you really are an aggressive man. I mean unnecessarily angry with your fellow Carltoninans.

I've read all your posts for entertainment value, and that's how I prefer to view them as. If I took your point of view and method of delivery seriously then I would respond to you more often, but I don't...as to do so is unnecessary and unhealthy.

Here's a recent example of you referring to verbs



Then there's the personal attacks on ODN, who I consider quite articulate and presents an argument in a balanced, logical and fair manner....and who I agree with, mind you.

I'm not being selective, as this kind of attitude you display towards people who love this club is quite irreverent to say the least; very anti Carlton.

But I do want to say there comes a time when enough is enough with the personal attacks. You sit there quite precariously with some of your points of view...some posters respond to you and question your manner... but I choose to ignore the crap 99% of the time and choose not to take pot shots at your ambiguities, your antipathy and your hypocrisy. Another reason I don't is because you are a bit of a 'hot head', and it's not worth my trouble.

Synbad wrote to Bondiblue



That's really nice stuff Synbad...thanks for the compliment.

Where do you get off Synbad? What's with the personal attacks?

I was referring to human traits from a political sociological point of view, and referred my remarks to BV..ie... it could be true, it might not be...there is however a possibility of an agenda either way...real general stuff...no inuendo, no relativity to any particular person...just asking him for his opinion.

Then out of the blue you come out with the above. Now that to me could be considered as paranoia, and that scares me a bit....because I don't indulge TC to attract such people into my existence.

Why do you think that was targeted at you? I don't target you. So get off the personal attacks, I really don't appreciate this at all.

This is not the reason I am involved with Carlton or TC. I belong to Carlton FC to join my fellow Carltonians with a likeminded view of the club I support, with passion, and don't need your type of behaviour around me.

Please tone down the aggression towards Carlton and Carltonians, but maintain your passion for the club.

There is a change taking place and it is gaining momentum, in fact it was delayed for many reasons; in short there is unity building between different groups and a hell of a lot of money coming in when all goes to plan. Whilst that change takes its course, and comes to fruition, consider changing your attitude too, for a healthier, united clan of Carltonians.

It will make a difference to your life and to the lives of all your fellow Carltonians.

Tone down the personal aggression and personal attacks.

We're all grown ups.

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Correct. I don't need you to tell me to know the answer anyway. You have nothing I want.

Youre so caught up in little picture stuff...

weeks ago you were saying i troll..because im making stuff up

yesterday and most of today you didnt understand the concept of credibility....and how a leader must have credibility to attract support..

now youre saying i shouldnt talk about why things have to go the way theyre going...

now you have shifted again.. and are telling me stuff like im bagging real carlton people when everybody knows they are gone...

the difference over the last few weeks is i have been selling the same message to people who might not understand why this club might have to do the things it is doing no matter how hurtful they seem .. they need to be made..

in the meantime.. u shift your lines more than the shifting sands of the sahara... in a bid to make yourself seem 'something' ...???

i dont even get what line of thought you have been following over the last 2 weeks... and i see no relevance in you trying to tell me what i should say and what i shouldnt say on here as if youre a paid up member of the Smorgon Gestapo?

I know you run TBV and BigFooty (Carlton) but are you aiming for some kind of browny points???

But then again.. this is the number 1 Carlton board...

Because i say what i say because alot of people dont underastand how we are now compromised to the AFL.. and how we wont be able to pay off the AFL 'loan' under Smogon and Malouf and how we are falling further and further behind other clubs... and that even if they are paying spin doctors to pump up feel good stories.. its all catching up to us .. and things need to change or our beloved club will never find its way back again.. because not many people want a shitfight or the head @#$%&!.. and if it continues to slide in further.. less people will take this on as out debt just balloons even more.

and sometimes you just have to give it a big whipe to make sure the shyt has really come off your heel.. or it will stay there harden .. and it wont come off..

Now Smorgon and Malouf arent bad people.. but they are not capable of turning this club around with what they have to give(or are offering to give).. but they have been busy shoring themselves up with bullshit to protect themselves and not the club..
So how ask how high???.... Horse!!!.. and then jump...

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I dont understand your point ODN.
Both groups started equal, the difference is that one group had the knowledge, initiative and contacts to source the available funds.
It didnt fall in their lap. I would suggest a lot of time and effort has gone into sourcing the funds.
I would suggest that is a major aspect of the business plan. Sourcing the funds to utilise.

Dont underestimate the ability to source several million dollars. Heavens knows our current board did'nt go close to achieving it.

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Well put Bondi Blue, you have said it well

Synbad, there is no doubting your intellectual capacity and undoubted passion. I am sure most of what you say is well founded.

Nontheless, these abilities and knowledge are left powerless unless channeled the right way.

You are right, the club needs leadership. I believe it is required at all levels and as supporters we are not absolved from some of that responsibility.

Inspire us Synbad. You are in a position to lead as part of the club you no doubt love.

I dont think im aggresive at all... seriously i dont.

But im frustrated with where the club is at...

And i know there are a few people here that like to chop me up just as much as i chop them up...

But thats all part of footy isnt it???

Footy is about passion and without passion wed be watching lawnbowls..

But i dont mind having a go at anyone who has a go at me...

And i dont mind saying what i have on my mind either..

Its unfair to make me wanna hold it all in....

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