Walker: B : A young natural talent who unfortunately has been hampered by a lack of talent around him to continue his development. Will make a great captain one day.

Russell: C : Has been slowly progressing and improving with the bullants.

Morrell: C : Just a notch below being a topline AFL player. Seems to be a great clubman and is a handy utility.

Livingstone: B : Although soundly beaten by Hall yesterday Livo has progressed greatly this year IMO despite injury. Has cemented a place on the list for a few years at least.

Simpson: C- : Starved of on ground opportunity but when given ground time has shown flashes of talent but has not picked up the tempo of AFL. Must be given considerable groundtime in the 2nd half of the year for a decision to be made on his future at years end.

Davies: C- : See Simpson.

Whitnall: D : Injuries to KPD's have completely stuffed Lance this year. Has been played everywhere on the ground to fill gaps as has struggled for most of the year. Change of scenery for him next year might be good for him.

D.Clarke: C : Great clubman, gives 110%, but is not up to AFL standard.

French: B+ : Stellar performance from the bigman so far. Has improved greatly from last year.

Lappin: B- : Performed admirably so far. Not up to last years standards though when he should've won the B&F.

Blackwell: C : Has been slowly progressing and improving with the bullants.

Fisher: Excused because of injury.

Camporeale: D : Loss of talent around him resulted in a lack of discipline, frustration and suspension which let the team down early in the season. Has tried hard at times but is not at the elite playmaking standard. Time's running out for Campo imo.

S.O'hAilpin: B : His application and commitment to improve is almost second to none by all reports.

Bowyer: C+ : Great clubman, gives 110%, but is not up to AFL standard.

Betts: B : Skillfull, full of exuberance. Adds spark to the team. Fitness is the key to him becoming a good onballer.

Chambers: D : Injury has held him back so far. Yet to prove he belongs.

Fevola: B- : Lack of decent delivery has held him back. Needs to improve body language and continue to do the 1%'s.

DeLuca: C- : Has been asked to play roles he's not ready for. Has shown enough to persist in developing next year.

Bryan: C+ : Has some good weaponary. Needs to work on fitness. Needs game time to gain experience and some ruck coaching from Harry. Woof.

Prendergast: D- : Great clubman, gives 110%, but is not up to AFL standard.

Scotland: D- : Skillfull player who is horribly down on form. Major disappointment so far. Will hopefully gain form in the 2nd half of the season.

Waite: B+ : Consistancy is the only thing lacking. An excitement machine when he's "on".

Thornton: B+ : A "Justin Leppitch" in the making. When he fills out some more he will be a champion imo.

Houlahan: C : Must be more direct and confident in going for the first option. Must work on his running speed and learn to break the lines.

Wiggins: C- : Great clubman, gives 110%, gutsy as hell, but is not up to AFL standard.

Sporn: D : Major disappointment so far. Very gutsy but lacks a physical presence. Badly out of form and needs to lift in a hurry.

Norman: D : Injury and attitude have seen him go backwards. Major major disappointment so far. Needs to lift in a hurry.

Bentick: C- : Still developing physically. Starved of opportunity.

Kouta: B+ : With shonky knees and hammys Kouta has managed to play every game and mostly as an onballer. Has played his heart out.

Carrazzo: B+ eveloping into a steady, attacking playmaker of the "Chris Johnston" ilk. Improving greatly.

Bannister: C : Has tried hard with each assignment he's been given. Doubtful future.

B.Johnson: C- : A couple of bad recent performances have set him back. Was improving early on but may have gotten ahead of himself. Pace is a worry.

Hartlett: Excused because of injury.

McGrath: C+ : Has Skill. Needs to work on pace and decision making. Would retain on the list next year on what he's shown so far.

Longmuir: C+ : Has been starved of opportunity. Needs to be tried in different roles. Can take a mark.

A.Raso: Excused because I say so.

Stevens: B : Has lead and battled hard. Lack of talent around him has held him back.

Teague: C+ : Injuries to KPD has crucified him so far. Been forced to play on players who are too big and strong. Has tried his heart out.

Who would have though the wooden spoon team could manage so many B's

i stopped reading after Walker B.
If it had been Walker D, then i may have kept going.

Don't listen to 'em - good effort Budzy.

PS - I haven't given up on Wiggo yet.

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Galaxies in the grain...

As a Teacher who writes many report cards ... you have been very nice. Report cards should state the truth.

Those with a B should be a C or D

Those who got a C gets a D or E

Those with a D gets an E or F

Theere's reality guys. We dont want to know that we have a decent side. with plenty of B's.

Sheahan gave us plenty of D;'s and he was still too bloody kind.

Clarke is a Great 2nds footballer
Simmo
not up to it

Sporn
No

90% of the guys doing well in the 2nds are just too goot for VFL and not good enough to step up.

Remember Brett Backwell won a Liston trophy and didn't get the pill in the ones!!

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I'll give it a go too.

Walker: C+ : He's gradually improving, learning the trade. He's the kid everyone seems to forget we're blooding when people star screaming for Pagan to play the kids. At 19 years of age what do you think Walker is?

Russell: Unrateable : He's a kid on his first year on a AFL list who hasn't played a game. He looks to be improving and hopefully he'll get settled in sooner rather than later.

Morrell: D : Didn't stand up when we needed him in defense. He's a decent third or fourth back or forward but in the long run we've got to look for other more reliable options.

Livingston: C+ : Showing very good signs. Will never be a star but will be a good solid full back in the future in the Presti mold.

Simpson: F : Given opportunities and didn't really take them. He can't get the ball at senior level.

Davies: F : Also given opportunities and stuffed them up through poor disposal and decision making.

Whitnall: C : Was asked to play out of position in defense and didn't handle it very well. He'll be better in the second half of the year at CHF with Livo and Thornton back as evidenced by yesterday's game.

D.Clarke: F : Hack, delist.

French: A- : Has proved this year why we chased him. An excellent year.

Lappin: C- : Shocking year from Lappin this year. Maybe he hasn't handled switching between forward and defense very well but you'd expect a player of his class and experience to be able to take that in his stride.

Blackwell: Unrateable : I was very impressed by his game when I watched the Bullants play Williamstown. Smart player who'll be a star one day when he gets some real muscle on him.

Fisher: Unrateable : Been injured. Wish he'd used his time off to build up his frame but apparently not.

Camporeale: C- : Has been carrying an injury apparently so it's hard to say how much it's effected him but it's fair to say that he's had a bad year.

S.O'hAilpin: C : I hate rating him because the one game he debuted was a shocker for everyone involved. He looks the goods in the twos but where we fit him in the seniors is the question.

Bowyer: F : Hack, delist. And yes I think he's a good bloke too.

Betts: C : Good debut year for a first year player. Has been given some time in the midfield of late and hasn't been out of his depth. He's another kid we're blooding that everyone seems to forget to mention when they get into those sort of arguments.

Chambers: Unrateable : Has been injured or been suffering from injury all year so he's impossible to rate.

Fevola: C+ : Has had a fair average year. Disappointing but it's not entirely his fault given the crap delivery he gets on a weekly basis.

DeLuca: D+ : Had no pre-season so he was always going to struggle this year.

Bryan: B : One game for the year and was near best on ground for us. A good start.

Prendergast: F : Hack, delist.

Scotland: F : Very disappointing this year. I wouldn't delist him like all the other Fs but he's certainly failed this year in my view.

Waite: A- : One of the only bright shining lights to come out of this year. A great year from Waite, let's hope he continues to improve from here and gains a bit of consistency.

Thornton: A- : He beats everyone he's put on, what more do you want?

Houlihan: B+ : He's done alright. He may be more than a little soft but he can hit a target which puts him a few steps above most of his teammates.

Wiggins: D- : Has finally proved to everyone that he isn't up to it. Delist.

Sporn: F : Shocking year. It was make or break for Sporn this year and it looks like he broke.

Norman: F : A bad year from a guy with a bad attitude. The lowlight of the year was watching him getting thrashed by Medhurst. Delist.

Bentick: D+ : Another of the kids. Hasn't really had that one game that will prove he'll make it yet.

Kouta: A+ : Can't ask for much more from Kouta this year. Has been great.

Carrazzo: B+ : A good young player who's continued his good form from the end of last year.

Bannister: F : Hack, delist.

B.Johnson: D : Had a few good games but only a few. He'll have to do something special to avoid delisting at the end of the year.

Hartlett: Unrateable : I hope he recovers soon because I'd love to see him debut this season.

McGrath: D+ : Had a good game here and there but with a number of bad ones in between. He's a quality player though so I'd keep him for at least another year.

Longmuir: C- : Had no pre-season so he was always going to struggle. Let's hope he shrugs it off and has a good second half of the year.

A.Raso: Unrateable : Long term project.

Stevens: B : Poor year by his standards but he's had to play through injury and sickness so he's got his excuses.

Teague: D+ : Has been shown up from time to time but you can't really expect the guy to play full back. What's concerned me is his form since Livo and Thornton have returned.

I would have had French as an A.

He'd be killing it in the B+F count at the moment, IMO.

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Andain's wrap up is more like it.

Let's stop being nancy pancies with the playing list and tell it like it is.

Agreed, but you'll have to go to another website to tell it like its. At talkingcarlton.com you're only allowed to bag carlton's good players (numbers 8, 16 and once upon a time 25 and 43).

The hacks are the heroes to many posters here for some reason. Very un-Carlton like. Living in an illusion

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Just noticed these ratings above as proof of the warped, unrealistic view of many on this site.

You have clarke, bowyer, wiggins and longmuir ahead of whitnall and campo. This is honestly sheer madness but passes here without an objection.

Yes, 8 and 16 have their misgivings, but they are fundamentally good footballers, something that we don't have much of. Rating them below the aforementioned hacks is really just madness. [/quote]

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persecution complex 101

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Indeed, mr. statsman

Campo and red are persecuted here like nothing I've ever seen before.

A blues supporter sitting in front of me kept telling kouta to "earn his money". It was infuriating. Then I had a go at Bentick for his up and under mick mansfield like pass to davies from a holding the ball free kick
(2nd quarter? maybe 4th? we were kicking to the right hand side from broadcaster's perspective). This pass resulted in a costly turnover, but the guy having a go at kouta all day tells me to lay off.

Very similar to the attitude of many here.

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Your right in a way but players are rated relative to their ability and how they've performed taking that ability and experience into account. You expect more from a player like Lance than you do from a player like Betts or Longmiur. It's only natural.

Might have been AB's dad, who, unlike Kouta's family, has probably not yet learnt its better to stay at home.

Its all about expectations SV.

We expect Kouta to play well, regardless of injuries and age and just the fact he cannot dominate every game- who could?

We hope AB will make it.

Very different expectations.

Don;t think either are right. Both are wrong at times. AB is out there learning his craft and must not make mistakes if he wishes to play his craft but we must remember his predicament - shit side with no confidence. Put him in a good side and maybe he'd show a fair bit more? So if he no good?

For mine its too soon to tell though I worry about his pace - but others have compensated for this.

Campo is Campo, I have few problems with him most of the time, sometimes i think he does not cover a man but that's also the problem with playing in a shit team. Players shirk responsibility, put Campo in a good team and its just become better.

The truth is we are side that is under seige. Mentally weak, down on confidence and without any signs things will imrpove. Four weeks ago the same was aid of Collingwood - this is a funny game.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

LOL...geez...I'm warped, unrealistic and a nancy pancy...you learn something everyday I guess.