I was disgusted by campos behaviour last night (though he's been on my hitlist for sometime)

Niggling, mouthing off, staging for frees (I believe home and away have picked a replacement Hayley already) sulking around the ground and gving away frees we could ill afford.

The problem in my opinion is that he stepped into a brilliant side, one a premiership in his first year surrounded by the best midfield in the business, I think he has only played a handful of reserve grade games so he doesnt appreciate the position he is in, by the time williams, ratten and bradley had retired he'd been there 7 years already and was established anough to not have to play for his spot.

He should be dropped to the reserves and told to clean up his act on field, a captain does mroe than toss the coin and right now I wouldnt trust him not to crack the shits if he lost the toss.

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That was actually Walker, not Camporeale. Was a bit disappointed in T-Bird giving it to Walks who was one of the few players busting their gut last night.

Has Campo ever played a reserves game? I don't think he has.

Does anyone know what he was saying to the Brisbane bench when he came off the ground in the last quarter? Could have been directed at Brad Scott, not sure, but he stood there mouthing off to them.

Amazing that we forgive Stevens for not showing leadership because he's not a captain or vice captain (He is in the official leadership GROUP of 8 or so).

That free paid to Aker was bullshit. Saw it on the replay last night and the same thing was happening ALL night, players bumping...Aker took a dive and got rewarded for it. The fact that we blame Campo for it shows where our bias lies.

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The thing I cannot stand is a highly paid, experienced player kicking poorly. Twice Kouta came running out of the centre square only to kick over the leading forwards heads. That is something I cannot comprehend. Stevens, Campo nowhere to be seen.

I don't think our players are playing as a team, they are all interested in being stars themselves. Waite had an opportunity to pass to Fevola who was all on his own in the square but he decides to go for goal himself. Whitnall decides to have a shot from the boundary line instead of kicking it to Fevola on his own. This is what upsets me.

Betts is fantastic, he is the only one who knows how to tackle properly. The way he wraps his harms around the players chests and arms. What is wrong with the rest of them.

I am upset at these sorts of things. Don't our supposed leaders have any pride in themselves.

Thats the point we really lack leadership in the team and with a young list it is even more of an issue. Who is in the leadership group ...

Kouta / Whitnall / Campo / Stevens / T-Bird / Prender / Teague ? / Lappin

Lets look at each one
Kouta - Champion player would have been a legend of the game had injury not crucified him.. still works in the packs great clearance player but not a natural Captain dosnt motivate or rev up the players like a true Captain should .... Was given Captaincy as he was a champion player for the Blues out of respect .. also as we lacked any other option .... Maybe as an offer to getting him to take a pay cut .....I hope that he is not captain at end of this year and just concentrates on playing his last years.

Whitnall - He does show leadership would be good at it ... where he falls down is that he dosnt apply that to himself ... As he has issues with fitness he should work on himself and also should do more with the Kids and stay back on the training track to assist the kids... he would gain more praise in doing that. But you do see him set up the forward line so he is capable.

Campo - Well enough said on him Poor msg sent out to the team .. Undisciplined ... gives away too many frees at crucial times ... continues to mouth off prob fires up the opposition too ... Mouths off to the kids as well rather than encouraging... too selfish .. Not a Captain .. not even a leader but enough has been said in this thread on him

Stevens - Has shown he can be a leader i have seen him rev players up ... make sacrifices for the team ... talk at huddles ..he is prob best candidate as Captain ... would also play better with responsability.. Before people have a go at me ... Kernahan was brught to the club made Captain within 2 years of his arrival .. Freeo got Bell from North and made him Captain ...Stevos only issues will be how Campo or whits react to the appointmen.

T-Bird ... Definately emerging as a leader ... should be the backline General if he isnt already should be VC ahead of Campo... he is developing nicely does talk to players.. tries to rev them up needs more support but has had to suffer to many attacks into our defence due to weakness in Midfield.. Backline is improving he is a potential future leader of the Blues

Prender - No idea he is struggling to get a game himself dont know why he would be a leader unless we are devoid of any other options .. not a leader type only a follower .. maybe he does some good work off field with the kids ?

Teague - if he is in leadership group has struggled this year low on Confidence .. think he does do some work off field with the kids at moment has more problems with his own form.

Lappin - Another good servent of the club not really a leader just a great player and only in leadership due to his age and experience ... seen him give occasional encourgement but not a natural leader.

So not much options there maybe whits / T-Bird / Stevo

And for this reason i think we have had big problems with consistency where when we drop out of the game there is nobody able to lift the team get the players refocused and rev them up.....
On field leadership is something we sadly lack and more so with so many kids and bits n pieces players in the team makes the problem even more difficult.

Denis needs to give Campo some footage of Luke Power last night..

If you remember when Power was leading towards the boundary line in the first qrt and the kick was too wide and short and Power made a dive at it but couldn't get there.. When Power gets up, he claps the pass.

Now if that was Campo he still would be spitting the dummy...

Campo has been a fowl mouth since his first game back in 1995.. Has always tried to play the bigger player than his size..
Always give little cheap shots and this year he has been caught out with the tribunal.
Clubs know how to stop him, just have to get in his ear and Campo will just self destruct, just ask Brodie Holland..

Just seems like he is content, he has played in a permership and is getting a shitload of money no matter how he plays and doesn't give a toss about anybody or the club.....

Its just because he is the 2nd longest current servant of the club that he is VC.

And thats the criteria we have had in our selection Campo VC for service to the club though clearly not a leader let alone a Captian .. Kouta for being longest servent and Champion of the club ... I think was for reasons i gave previously and i guess in circumstance was the right thing to do at least he isnt negative to the team and club as in the case of Campo...

But i think Post Campo / Kouta ... The blues will emerge better and will be a more unified Team and hopefully the new leadership group we have in 2006 will be more unified and emerge from the baggage we still have possibly from the old guard.

I think Whits and Stevo will be better without Campo and his ego and negative attitude .. I think that Campo is having a negative impact not only on the kids but also Whits and Stevo ect because that negativity can also cause disharmony in the other experience players to.
Rem Beumont / Allan ect they where chopped because of the negative influence on the club i am thinkin Campo is in some cases similar, well we will see now that he is in the last year of his contract.

1. If campo stays there is no doubt he will be on a reduced contract. That is a given, so in effect your comments about salary sacrifice during the latter years of service to the club are misplaced. If you are talking about his current contract then that is a different matter - no one here knows the details of his contract - all that we know is that the contract appears to have been heavily backloaded. Say your employment contract states that you will receive 100k/year for 3 years however because of accounting or financial pressures the salary is structured such that you are pay is backloaded (ie 50k in yr 1, 75k in year 2 and 175k in year 3). Would u, or do u know of many people that would be happy to reduce their pay on the 3rd year to 100k so that the company could recruit another person? Somehow I dont think so. Refusing such a pay cut isnt failing to give back to the club. Also, I think I read somewhere that someone had suggested that campo had restructured his contract when the initial salary cap debacle came to light (obviously i have no idea whether this is correct though)
2. The last obvious time that campo was seen revving up players etc was in the match where he injured his knee earlier this year - as I recall (and your welcome to check back on it), there was a bit of criticism of campo's ability, performance leadership etc following that match. Similarly, when campo does play well he has been criticised for not doing it regularly enough or to a high enough level to justify his salary (without any thought given to the nature of backloaded contracts). I note that in the positives thrread, one poster excused stevens performance for a bung knee and in the next line criticised campo for a poor performance (conveniently ignoring the fact that they both suffered similar injuries a week apart).
3. Leadership and example - Last I checked stevens is part of the leadership group. So to excuse the lack of leadership shown by stevens because he hasnt got captain, or vice captain title is rubbish. I've seen stevens mouth of at umps and fellow players, give half hearted chases, soft frees and display poor onfield decision, skills, leadership - basically at various times I have seen stevens display all those negative properties, however I have seldom seen any criticism of stevens in this regard (despite his alleged salary of around 4-500k/season).

It seems that some players just cant win given the agendas that some influential posters seem to be pushing on this site. I prefer to support all our players - its just unfortunate that I have to drag up nick stevens and label him as 'golden boy' to highlight the hypocrisy that exists on this board at times. In doing so, I can only hope that we will eventually get more balanced views on team structure, performance and direction as opposed to the blinkered view that many posters seem to exhibit at the moment. That more posters are beginning to question the views of certain posters and the propoganda espoused by the club (coach/administration) is a good start.

Just to raise a few points about this
1. Encouragment for younger players - do u think Bryan was encouraged last week when stevens took the kickout duties from him immediately after the incident in which the umpire INCORRECTLY called Bryan for stepping over when kicking out? I doubt it
2. Giving others a spray - Last I checked, Thornton gives more players a spray than probably any other player on our list. Regardless of whether its actually there fault, Thornton is prone to give a spray whenever he gets beaten by a direct opponent. No problem with the competitiveness but that aspect of his game is something that he needs to work on before he can actually be a good leader.

So that really only leaves whitnall from your list - last I checked the majority of the posters on this site were calling for him to be traded.


Also the comment by bosman about luke power clap - agree that was a good display of leadership but do u seriously think that campo would be the only player in the team that would mouth off at the player kicking it to him? I doubt it.

Look Stevo had a crap match yesterday and his season to date hasnt been great he is the main player in our midfiled the opposition tries to nullify. In Campos regard he is player that the opposition can put a niggly anoying player on him and not only does he nullify him he actually gets Campo in some cases to work more for them than us. He just has a toal lack of discipline and for a VC thats not good enough. And on Stevo mouthing off and Reving players up at huddles or motivating the team i have seen more from Stevo in 1.5 Seasons at the Blues than Campo has done in 12 years or whatever for the Blues.

THe question i have is not som much on what he is paid if he has a large some back ended thats a prob of the admin not Campo.. Not even is he has a bad or good game its whats expected of him from being a positive influence and leader of the Blues when we need players like him to stand up most. We have a very young list and also have a lot of outside players and if you have someone who has a very selfish attitude shows the wrong message on the field ... gives away crucial frees in Games that undo good work.. generally efect the young players morale and i am taling not from last nites game but from what i have seen in last 2 years then yer i will single him out... Look i only forming an opinion on what i have seen and if somone knows more then i am happy to change my view...But this year we have seen players with good attitudes drop off and from my observation i am singling out Campo to maybe being a contributer to that .

Maybe someone can tell me what Campo is like on the training track does he mix with the kids .. does he stay back to help out the Rookies and younger kids.. if he does this it will at least give me a better idea but i am basing my observations on his on field attitude and have not heard him doin anything positive or encourageing with the Kids off the field.

Campo should watch a copy of Walker's game on tape.

Swap Campo to Port for Matthew Bishop

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Attacks on Camporeale will they ever stop?

Before we go any further, although I'm named as a Stevens-lover/Camporeale-hater around here, I don't think that's true.

Last night was Stevens' worst ever performance for the Blues, not just because he only got 13 possessions but his ill-discipline and failure to run his tagger ragged was probably his worst sin. He seemed to make no effort to try to run his tagger around.

Camporeale - well, it's been said, his constant mouthing-off, failure to commit to the hard ball (mind you, we've been beaten in the contested ball stakes all season) - I won't say it again, but you all know my view on Camporeale. IMO I don't think it's worth him staying at the end of the year.

The team lacks cohesion, it's not a team, when we looked good in the 1st quarter we played as a team, now there are players who are clearly playing selfishly. Walker played a very good game on Akermanis and played the consummate team game, sacrificing his game in order to shut down a guy who when on song will cut you apart. Some of the senior players could learn from that. Our failure to put our head over the ball at times was inexcusable. Overcrowding the contest so that Lions could just run free was abominable.

And when the team leaders should have set the example by putting their head over the ball, they didn't.

Whitnall was good, though IMO only building up trade value. I'd rather a top 20 pick than Whitnall for the next 10 years.

Although I know Houlihan wouldn't be worth that much, a trade for him would not be out of the question of my mind IMO.

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Ohh well 4th Chicken i have beef with Campo you with Stevens and maybe i have just noticed more from Campo in recent times that its just built up and got me crapped off. Maybe Campo displays things at crucial times in the game and as i said this is not just on last nites games but previous games in the last 2 seasons.

Anyway just to make you feel better i do rem the best game i saw Campo play against the tigers think was 4 years ago but correct me if i am worng .. Was when Baddles was Captain and we had about 4-5 Key senior players out IE Kouta / Braddles / Mckay / Ratts ect

he captained that game playerd a blinder ignored his Taggers / Kicked in / Played center / Reved up the younger kids / led from the front / no mouthing off / focused on the task can was a great match cant rem if we won or lost but was the most disciplined and responsible game i had seen him play unfortunatley never saw him play that was again

I actually have no problem with stevens (aside from him being golden boy and future captain ) - am more than happy to have him in the side but I dont think he is as good as many posters have made him out to be.

Probably the only carlton player that sticks in my memory that I have had a problem with has been mick martyn - and that was because I felt that his selection was only to get him to 300 games and that it set livingstons development back a year.

On that comment i agree 100% was the stupidist pick up we have had but not the only one sure people will bring up Mansfield Reilly Eccles ect just to name a few

That was a error and no cheap shot at Mick he had a great career and was a great backmen but his last 50 games he was well past his used by date. Roo slow ect let us end on agreeing on that one 4th Chicken

Kouta was good and at least tried...Campo and Stevens turned it up and ran up the white flag after half time...it was pathetic to watch..neither of them deserve to be captain, VC ..they dont have it..weak as piss..you compare Brown for 500K and what we are paying these cheaters its laughable...

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Hear hear.

White flag mentality - it's not just physical softness we have, it's mental as well.

We complain about Campo's ability to break taggers, I was very disturbed by Stevens inability on Saturday night, very very worried.

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yes, hes got some noticable troubles...

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