Wolfe wrote:
What stupid thing to suggest 4th Chicken like or dislike Pagan he has just signed on for 600K per Year over 3 years. You expect to let him go to St-Kilda who have a coach they are happy with even if most people think that Thomas is a good player Manager / Average Coach.
So you suggest that the Blues Pay Pagan for 2-3 Years at the Saints what half his contract 300K or maybe the Saints will like if we pay 2/3 of his contract 400K a year then they get Pagan at 200K and you can have yer pick of som untried at 500 - 600K when you add Pagans Payout.
What a load of Crap... not gonna happen yes we know there is some issues at the club has been for 4 years even before Pagan got to our club with all the boarde changes and players telling the club that it payed outside the Salary cap.
The players situation will be a mixture of pressure from Coach / Media / Supporters ..As suggested older players being told that there gravy train has run out IE Campo / Lappin / Whitnall.
Some of the second chanes will be pissed that some players havnt put in ie T-Bird and Teague both unhappy how some of there fellow players are playing.. And of course some players have had the riot act and told you prob not gonna be here cause yer not good enough.
Well i have read whether its on the Blues supporter sites or from the Media i reckon out of our recycled players maybe only 25% will still have a gig so no wonder there are some unhappy players .. or that there cash trough has dried up..
The club has been a mess for 4 years we were in a situation going down hill to the point of no return this year our off field results look better we have started to get our debts under control .. we have some stability in the coaching prospect .. .we know there will be changes end of the year. At our present stage we look to be ending into draft territory so will get a much needed injection of
POTENTIAL talent. Hopefully we can grab a big name player in the PSD and maybe in the trade. And we will have some more young talent which we will see more of who have been maturing in the Bullants.
But Pagan is here for 1-2 Years 3 if he lasts his contract.
We will not go down a path and pay Pagan to coach another club be realistic its just not gonna happen

I knew there is a reason why I dont post much anymore.
1. I did specifically state that I would prefer people to respond based on thought rather than emotion and to try to avoid personal comments. OBVIOUSLY YOU CANT READ. If you dont like what I have written them come back with constructive comments rather than 'What stupid thing to suggest...' drivel.
2. Thomas is on record saying that IF a better coach is available then he would be happy to stand down at the saints. Whether he would be willing to do so remains to be seen - however, IF carlton was looking for a change of coach, there is no reason why we could not mention to a few clubs that Pagan MAY be available.
3. At which point in my post have I suggested that we PAY pagan if we were to release him to the saints? Or have u just speaking out of your arse? The whole point of a st kilda (or freo or any other AFL club) coaching move for Pagan is so we DONT have to pay him out. In relation to paying Pagan out - IF it ever got to that stage where we had to get rid of Pagan and he wanted to be paid out - there is absolutely NO WAY that I would pay Pagan to coach another club - I'd rather sack him and end his AFL coaching career in disgrace (ie would ensure that another club couldnt touch him for the term of the contract that we have to pay him out for).
However, for the hypothetical that I proposed - if Pagan is on 600k next year, the saints might consider paying the full amount to 'poach' a premiership coach (given the state of their playing list) - Most clubs in such a situation would consider it a reasonable salary given the stakes at that point in time. If for example they only want to pay 450k, then it will be up to Pagan to decide whether he wants to stay at carlton for 3 years trying to rebuild under difficult circumstances (and allow his coaching record to suffer) or to take a pay cut for the chance to coach another flag or two (and potentially be remembered as one of the greats). At Pagan's age, I doubt he would be THAT money focused given that he would have be already financially stable/successful.
4. When was the last time an untried coach was paid 500-600k? Are you suggesting worsfold, clarkson, laidley, craig are all being paid in excess of 500k/season to coach their respective clubs? Show me some facts to back up your claims.
5. Issues with the club and the playing list etc - I have no problem with the fact that our list needs to undergo changes in order for it to improve. That is a no brainer. What I do have an issue with is the underperformance of players (relative to ability - ie what they have shown as opposed to what they MIGHT show) and the lack of on field effort/competitiveness. Without blaming Pagan, it is a concern to me that this appears to be the second group of players that Pagan has lost. It is also a concern that players appear to have been told in front of the playing group that they arent up to league football - that is akin to public humiliation and in my view unacceptable in a work place. People are much more receptive to criticism if it is done discreetly (ie the statements could have been made in a 1 on 1 private meeting, as part of a midseason review etc).