piss off troll

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How eloquently put , obviously the voice of reasoned debate around here, I would say that you must be their head Mass-debator

Disagree.

I don't have a problem with the contracts that Fev, Waite, Walker and Livo got. Fair and reasonable imo.

Lappin seems to have been offered a standard 2 year deal. He wanted a 2 year deal + incentives and the club said no.

In the current climate I fully agree with the clubs' tough stance. The gravy train ride has ended.

I think it's a disgrace that we are treating our players like this.

Campo, Whitnall & Lappin deserve better from the club.

I'll say this one more time, Lappin turned back bigger offers to stay with Carlton, he has been one of our better players for the past three years and still get treated like this.

Whitnall/Campo are on backended deals. Meaning they earned less initially to earn more now. All averages out in the end and the club made the deal, in other words, it took two to tango.

I believe if ALL THREE where treated better at the negotiating table, ALL THREE would have signed by now and probably signed for a decent amount.

DISGRACEFUL CARLTON.

Oooh oooh...........

hil-larrrrrr-ious........!

now listen Jockstrap.......your very welcome to
come and play.....but don't break the toys
in the sand pit........!

manners sir..........manners.......!

didn't your mother teach you......?

how do you attract bees sir......?


kindest regards tommi

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Ian Coutts stated on the weekend stated that the club needed to improve on the way the contracts have been played out in public. Do agree with the clubs hardline on contracts, however if offers have been withdrawn then that is a concern. Really what we should be doing is. This is what we are offering. Take it or leave it.

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L.M 35-06

Who's going public though, the club or the player managers?

Lappins been a great servant to the club. No one is going to deny that, but these contract negotiations are not about "HAS" they are about "FUTURE" they are all part of the process that needs to be instilled in the club, for all future contract negotiations.

If we give in to players requests we set ourselves up for players in the future to take advantage of the club and get whats best for them and not what is best for the club.
IMO i agre with the clubs stance on all three players ( Lance to a lesser degree ) Campo and Lappin are not part of the clubs future so losing them is not a great loss, its only a sentimental loss. We will get over it just as they should also.

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I disagree Mark.
Livo is learning the craft and has completed some big jobs.
For a young KPP on minimal bucks, he was well worth securing for another year.
Dont forget Williams has kicked a lot of goals on good players this year including 6 against Brisbane.

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The time taken to resolve then has allowed the media to play the whole process up a bit. Think both parties are at fault. Collo's unfortunate illness hasn't helped matters, as he has to sign off on all deals before they go to the board for ratification.

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L.M 35-06

Livo is a back pocket at best.

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L.M 35-06

Hey Jar got one for you - how many goals has Livo had kicked on him as fullback. Total, and ave per game please.

Now SOS.

Southby. with equivalent games if you can.

pretty please.....

some tiime????

and i never called you a suck. That was tommi!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Danny Frawley hit the nail on the bottom on Triple M all weekend.

Carlton are planning for 3-5 years away now, Lappin, Kouta and Campo will not be around then and Whitnall is not suited to our game plan.

Take the emotion away from the decision making process and it is clear as day that we must take advantage now of whatever trade value is left on the above players.

If we play next year with a bunch of kids and lack the senior chore (who provide nothing this year anyway) then so be it. I'd rather fork out money on a membership watching a talented bunch of kids who bust a gut TOGETHER than watching champions of our club continue to lose the respect of the supporters and footballing public.

Sad days to lose champions of the club, but to succeed in the long term the tough decision need to be made.

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You know I would if I could, but those stats would not be possible.

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And as soon as we can get another KPP backman I am sure that's where he will be playing.

However, to suggest that we trade/delist Livo, and "try" Bryan at CHB is a bit of a joke don't you think. Delist someone who has been learning to play fullback - AND has shown some improvement in the area, so we can "try" a bloke who has only ever been a (alightly undersized) ruckman?

You usually make a lot of sense BM, but this one sounds a little off-base.

A one-year incentive deal was appropriate for a guy in Livo's situation. If he shows no further improvement next year, and we have suitable replacements lined up, THEN maybe he should go.

Yeah, cos Spud's such an astute observer of the game and coach....

Anyway, where was the sentiment for our club champions when we were shipping them all off to St Kilda in the 70s and 80s? Jezza, Maclure, just to name 2. there is a long list of which we should be ashamed of bundling out the door. Why the nostalgia about players now, at a time when we Need to think about the future? And when we're talking about players who appear to not give a shit about the team, about the club, beyong getting 20+ cheap kicks a week (in one case, that is).

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Livos has been 'learning' Full Back for 4 years, yes I know he has been injured a lot. But to be honest I have not seen a lot of improvement. Our defence looks a lot better when T-Bird is at FB and has Livo alongside of him to lend support.

Re Bryan, he is tall, a good mark and an extra-ordinarily long kick. Perfect CHB material I would think. Well worth a shot.

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L.M 35-06

Jezza&Maclure were never shipped off. Jezza went on his own accord after the '79 election turmoil. Maclure never played for StK. Others that did:

Sheldon
Wow
Marcou
Aitken

Bryan could not keep up with Ackland in the St Kilda game so cant see him being any sort of option down back.
Bryan is a back up ruckman and perhaps a forward pocket Lade type of player.
Let him have another pre season and see how he goes when French is fit and has a bit of touch.

Possibly so Mark but he cant be lending support if he's not contracted.

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