OK, I stand corrected.

But my point is still the same.....

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True, as I said I would not have re-signed him but if he is to stay and play then it should be as a BP, not FB.

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I'm with Ian Collins on these contract situations....the players have no right to demand anything when they turn in piss poor efforts like recent times and even though I like Lappin as a player we have to put the club first and players have to expect in tough times that new contracts will have to be earned...

We have all called for a tough new administration but when they get tough we complain.....let them do the job and rebuild the club....how good have some of our players had it? and they still want to milk a club that is struggling with debt.. a club that has set some of them up for life ...gimme a break when does the greed end and common sense start..

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1 year for Livo is fine Mark. No he is not a saviour, yes we missed with that pick 4 but look at the 3 picks from that year Livo, Sporn and Wiggo hmmm not much huh. Of the 3 Livo is the one I'd keep.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

agree entirely - may have some sentiment if we were not stone motherless last on the ladder after being beaten by a shocking 15 th side- these guys need to feel the cool winds of change in negotiating contracts -market value should be paid for these guys and 2 years at absolute maximum
As for livo I think most of the assessments are unfair - how would you like to be playing in our backline where most of the midfield dont come to help or arent accountable for their man.
Livo no superstar but deserves his one year contract and has performed adequately this year and better than last and there is not a lot on our list that can say that

I heard Frawley make three points.

1. You don't sign players 29/30 to three year contracts unless they are winning matches for you.

2. You re-build your list by taking advantage of draft picks.

3. The future for Carlton supporters to follow a competitive team is 3 years from now.

Regardless of what you think of Frawley, you're right mjonc, he summed up our situation perfectly in thirty seconds.

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From today's sun:

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IF what Daniel Harford has said is true, then I agree with him about Matty Lappin.

If the club withdrew its contract offer to him that was already agreed on by all parties, and it was a two-year deal, then I'm on Lappin's side here.

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This is great news
get rid of the players that are holding the club back
Youth is the only answer
Lappin and Campo are shocking leaders anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Its all a bit ambigous. Lappin agreed to 2 years and incentives. Carlton didnt agree to the incentives so no deal. Whats wrong with that.

I couldnt give a toss what Harford or any other ex or current player thinks. Harford in perticular should know what a mess Hawthorn got in for giving him a long contract

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Daniel Harford's got his head up his arse.
He should reserve his praise of great loyalty and service for all the unpaid workers around the club who volunteer their services.

Expect Barry Mitchell to come out in support of the senior players very soon.

what will that mean for mitchell, seems strange he was have a public opinion on this. the board wouldn't look to good at him, if he comes out publicly. looks bad for the club if the assistant coach pipes up.


maybe this cancer through our club is worse than i though.

Care to elaborate?

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IF Mitch comes out in the press and airs some dirty laundry then he is nothing more than a dog & a traitor. Seems his future might have been decided as well.

Harford has taken back his comments after getting a call from Michael Malouf, which is pissed off about the claims. Says his comments were misconstrued

Talks off, probably until end of the season. Lappin still wants 3 years.

Pfft!!...more like his comments were ill-informed and small minded...tool

Hows do you withdraw a contract that has already been signed off on Nero????

Look the standard contract offers are... if its offered and you dont take it you go to the back of the pile.
If Matty ummmmmed and ahhhhhhhhhed about it for weeks and now its been withdrawn and he is upset Matty should think better than refusing to sign and holding the club to ransom next time his offer is tabled...

Thats how it is in 2005 .. they better get used to it.

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If another club is prperaed to offer Matty 3 years then by all means lets do the right thing and faciliate the trade. They will of course give us a second round pick at least and we can help with the rebuild and Matty can have his 3 years.
Asking your mates to leak information in the media to make the club out to be the villain is not really a smart move.
Thanks for thinking of us Matty in our bad times. Everything will be on our terms now. You will stay on what we are prepared to offer and you will be traded if it suits us to do so.
Sorry old pal but Big Jack is not around anymore.

Maybe he is one of the footy department who is under the pump???

Look lines will be drawn again... but we need to move on and forward..
Who the hell is Barry Mitchell to be taking sides on a crucial matter of club finances and contracts.
Youd think if this is true.. and i have no reason to doubt you kennyhunter that Mitchell thinks he is someone important around the club...especially when it has to do with list managemnt..

For Christs sake he is the Bullants coach.....

the only senior players he needs to worry about is till the end of the year is Morrell, Clarke.. etc...

Some people are losing the plot....

Duuuuuh were last!!!!!
which means the comfort factor is gone..

This all head flowers the kids who should be concentrating on playing steak and eggs football ..they should never be exposed to club politics.. cos they will get influenced/ involved and start getting into union politics...

Just another way that senior players are screwing the club...

Turf them out!!!!!

Kids dont know any better than to look up to the senior blokes...Thats all they know when they come to the club... who Lappin, Campo, Lance and Kouta are... and in our case what is really looking like scum..

They dont have an intricate knowledge of the hirstory., the players etc.. all they know are the well known players cos they mostly barracked for someone else...

These senior players are just not helping because they act in self preservation.
Which is what they did all year....... and made the life of the young kids hell in the first case .

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