I'm not arguing that Pagan, Eade or any other coach is 100% responsable for the performances of their players. Just that if you're going to hold someone responsable for all the bad, you must equally credit them with all the good. I'm not doing either.

I also think that comparing two players just because they were picks one and two in the same draft is pointless. As soon as you make your selection in the draft, you get a player. You don't use your selection to get a "pick 2", you get a player. Each one is different, they develop at different rates, have different strengths etc.

Also, Cooney and Walker play different positions, and are at different points in their development. Very hard to directly compare them.

Beautifully said!

I don't agree with DP with every move, he frustrates me no end sometimes (as you'd expect when you sitting last on the ladder) but some posters have an amazing ability to swing each and every issue back on Pagan, yet give credit for the little success we've had to the most obscure sources!!

Just try to stand back and understand the situation and post objectively rather than with an agenda behind every statement.

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Developing as individuals and developing as a team are world's apart. Eade's developed his team, ours hasn't been developed, irrespective of howsome individuals have really come on.

Yes but did you see Kouta at Walkers age????

If you did see Kouta at Walkers age would you have called him footy smart???

If you couldnt call him footy smart.. would you say that at no time in his footy career was Kouta footy smart??

See???

Its a ridiculous statement you make isnt it???

there is a thing called development ... or every footballer rafted in the league would remain the same as the immature kid drafted.

Murphy has more smarts than Walker... but Walker plays a different role to Murphy... and Murphy cant do some of the things and play some of the roles to Walker...


What youre saying is Walker wont be able to play his passes within himself ever.....
I guess that makes them different....thats all.

Isnt it amazing how simplistic people are about stuff???

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Buddy kicked his 6 on who? Carlos? McGrath? I reckon I could snag a couple on these blokes. Buddy will potentially develop into the most damaging half forward since a young Chris Tarrant burst onto the scene.

Twist, turn, swings and roundabouts, rant, rant, change the subject like a lot of your posts Synbad (not all).

I was only responding to your excuse for Walker for not choosing the right option....you said it was "his competitive temeprament". I believe it comes down to football smarts and I also noted that he will compensate his lack of footy smarts through hard work as he continues his learning.

You probably agree with me but you would never admit. And just because you have the last say, doesn't make you right but it can make you look ridiculous?

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Whether you like it or not, whether it is difficult or not they will be compared for the rest of their lives. No different to Judd, Ball and Hodge, all different players, all at different stages in development all compared.

From what I can see Walker busts his gut each week and tries to take on all comers. Its exciting to see him attack with his head over the ball and come smashing out a a pack with the possesion. Sure sometimes his kicks let him down but is it entirely his fault?

Kouta in 2 of the last 3 games has shown his footy smarts as people call it when winning the ball chiping/kicking around the body over an opponent putting the ball in space and allowing a team mate to run onto it in the clear and set us up forward.

The biggest difference from what I can tell is that when Kouta has the ball team mates expect him to do something with it and thus break forward and present options. At the moment I doubt our players have quite the same faith in 1AW. Imagine everytime he hit a pack our other players thought hey thats Walks I better make an option cause he will win the contest he'd only have to look up and see options presenting everywhere. Sure at the moment it might bite us in the bum but we are losing anyway - might as well do it in style and get some confidence into our kids.

Should be criticise a player becuase he has busted his gut winning the football and his team mates wern't smart enough to make position for him? Should be criticse a player who has attacked the ball with everything he has and disposes of the ball at full speed becuase teamates didn't shepherd or tell him he was clear and had time to settle?

For me Walker is our future Kouta of old - the bloke who can take a game apart by himself whilst everyone will watch in awe - Murphy will be our Diesel, you know the bloke who just seems to keep winning the ball and making all the right options despite not being lighting quick or built like a Greek Adonis.

Sure they will. Doesn't make the comparisons particularly meaningful.

Most of time it will be people trying to pump up or put down a player. You just find someone high/lower in the draft order who is further along in their progress (regardless of position, type of player, where they started from etc) and compare them. It's probably the most common player comparison done, yet that doesn't mean that it's really of any value at all.

what do you reckon they saw in him to draft him at 9??

Ok.I know i am speaking out of school here,but you Abaddon need to realise that every listed Carlton player religously log's into TC to view your posts.Hell ,every player is instructed to print your views,and there is now a Tuesday night gazetted by the Club to discuss your considered opinions.
My greatest fear is that you and your (negative) ilk may be dumb,stupid and narcisstic enough to believe any of the above.
And the moderators can(as opposed to shall)take exeption to this post.
Posters continually abuse and belittle their own players(jib,squib,etc)when the players are in combat for all to see,30K+ at a stadium,probably 300K+on TV plus print media,and posters can hide behind a user name-the hypocrisy is breathtaking!

I'm very happy with AW.

But don't get me started on Abaddon .... his record speaks for itself.

With all due respect.Was not an AW issue(he can live by his own performance).

Would the players prefer supporters to confront them day in and day out face to face with their abuse & belittlement? I think not.
You, I & every human being on earth has been rubbished behind their backs. So what?? Get over it & do the best you can and be proud you did the best you can!! In the end who gives a stuff what I, that dill abbadon or anyone else thinks!!
If a player can't handle the heat (whether it be right or wrong) he doesn't belong in the kitchen.
Rubbishing footy players down the pub with a group of mates (which has been going on forever) or rubbishing them on TC ...not much difference.

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And when you arrive home from the pub.Tell me ,will that make you or CFC any better?

It's a tricky question.

Did you pick up a kebab on the way home?

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its not like im speaking lies. Walkers disposal is shithouse.

and don't get me started on Headplant. He was talking up the prospects of Sporn, Beasy, Livingston, Doering, Campbell etc. no more than 2 seasons ago.

his record speaks for itself...

bagging/cheering footy players is part of footy culture DOA and has been for 100+ years
and I'm sure the players appreciate all those feral supporters' membership fees when it's all said and done right??

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it couldnt be worse than shit house?









na, i dont think his disposal is too bad its improved a hell of a lot since last year anyway and people tend to get judged on their previous actions, i know he's had a stack of clangers this year but that number is getting less too, maybe if we had players who were able to lead in the rigth directions and make it easy for their temmates he wouldnt look so bad. walker will be a superstar of our club.

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