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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:34 pm 
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Marchbank has 1 full Game under his belt... that's about his range... he will either pull out this week or breaks down as usual.

I also expect Martin to break down too.....and McGovern is due for a Hammy :grin: :grin: :banghead:


Geez, you must be a real hoot at parties! :garthp:


As a Club, we have always had a Poor run with Injuries and surely it is more than just a run of back luck.


All the more reason to send some positive vibes their way and not try to jinx them when they are finally stringing some games together and showing great form.

I don't even joke about injuries to the opposition - whether you believe in karma or not is irrelevant - it is just distasteful.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:55 pm 
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Our defence has been our strongest most consistent unit for the year, & we are only missing Boyd there.

We also don't have any injuries to our small & medium forwards, & IMO they've been the most important group through the revival.

I think we can sustain no Kennedy Walsh Cerra McKay for now. And I never thought I'd be saying that.

Surely Weiters Gov Saad etc. get it done against this pathetic mob

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:17 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
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Marchbank has 1 full Game under his belt... that's about his range... he will either pull out this week or breaks down as usual.

I also expect Martin to break down too.....and McGovern is due for a Hammy :grin: :grin: :banghead:


Geez, you must be a real hoot at parties! :garthp:


As a Club, we have always had a Poor run with Injuries and surely it is more than just a run of back luck.


All the more reason to send some positive vibes their way and not try to jinx them when they are finally stringing some games together and showing great form.

I don't even joke about injuries to the opposition - whether you believe in karma or not is irrelevant - it is just distasteful.



No I don't believe in Karma... I believe in something called " Let's chill & have some fun ". :donk: :donk:


Positive vibes always bring negative Results but Negative comments always bring positive results!! That's how it always been with our footy Club!



On a more Serious note, the Club needs to do a full Review of its medical Team and try to work out why we have so many injuries every year... They need to look at things like:

- Do we have the right Training Regime in place?
- Do we have the right Diet regime for the players?
- Are players getting enough rest/sleep during off days? are they eating the right foods?
- Are we going too hard during the off season and causing uneccessary soft injuries?
- Are we recruting injury prone players without checking their full history?

And this one is a big one for me and I have brought it up once with the club:

- Are We training on a good/suitable Ground? I ask that because I find Ikon Park oval way too hard, last time I ran there, my Knee started to make funny noises lol.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:06 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Marchbank has 1 full Game under his belt... that's about his range... he will either pull out this week or breaks down as usual.

I also expect Martin to break down too.....and McGovern is due for a Hammy :grin: :grin: :banghead:


Geez, you must be a real hoot at parties! :garthp:


As a Club, we have always had a Poor run with Injuries and surely it is more than just a run of back luck.


All the more reason to send some positive vibes their way and not try to jinx them when they are finally stringing some games together and showing great form.

I don't even joke about injuries to the opposition - whether you believe in karma or not is irrelevant - it is just distasteful.



No I don't believe in Karma... I believe in something called " Let's chill & have some fun ". :donk: :donk:


Positive vibes always bring negative Results but Negative comments always bring positive results!! That's how it always been with our footy Club!



On a more Serious note, the Club needs to do a full Review of its medical Team and try to work out why we have so many injuries every year... They need to look at things like:

- Do we have the right Training Regime in place?
- Do we have the right Diet regime for the players?
- Are players getting enough rest/sleep during off days? are they eating the right foods?
- Are we going too hard during the off season and causing uneccessary soft injuries?
- Are we recruting injury prone players without checking their full history?

And this one is a big one for me and I have brought it up once with the club:

- Are We training on a good/suitable Ground? I ask that because I find Ikon Park oval way too hard, last time I ran there, my Knee started to make funny noises lol.


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the AFL Commission's insistent desire to change the rules of the game, I expect for good reason, but failed to see the obvious repercussions to not applying the rules our forefathers penned. Our forefathers knew change to the rules on field would turn the game into Rugby Union (there was no league at the time, and may have never been if the VFL agreed to take the game there). The game was for athletes who didnt want to get injured during the cricket off season.

The game is brutal on the whole body nowdays.
In the past it was brutal to the head from king hits and shirtfronts. It was a slower game because push in the back was paid, holding the ball was paid, throwing the ball was paid. Let that all be play on and we have mauls.

Not you specifically Dodo but a lot of fans want to blame our Medical and Fitness staff for our injuries. Even before an enquiry? Sure have one but hold fire in the time being.

We have close to the best if not the best Medical & Fitness people at our club. Prove its not. The CV tells us they are amongst the best in business.

Blaming is normal being a Carlton supporter when we are down. But we've won 6 in a row by an av of 52 Points. We will beat Saints with the missing 5 best 22 players.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:25 pm 
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the AFL Commission's insistent desire to change the rules of the game, I expect for good reason, but failed to see the obvious repercussions to not applying the rules our forefathers penned. Our forefathers knew change to the rules on field would turn the game into Rugby Union (there was no league at the time, and may have never been if the VFL agreed to take the game there). The game was for athletes who didnt want to get injured during the cricket off season.

The game is brutal on the whole body nowdays.
In the past it was brutal to the head from king hits and shirtfronts. It was a slower game because push in the back was paid, holding the ball was paid, throwing the ball was paid. Let that all be play on and we have mauls.

Not you specifically Dodo but a lot of fans want to blame our Medical and Fitness staff for our injuries. Even before an enquiry? Sure have one but hold fire in the time being.

We have close to the best if not the best Medical & Fitness people at our club. Prove its not. The CV tells us they are amongst the best in business.

Blaming is normal being a Carlton supporter when we are down. But we've won 6 in a row by an av of 52 Points. We will beat Saints with the missing 5 best 22 players.



Your point is well taken and is Valid given how the Game has evolved & changed and it is a hard Game to play......However if we are to consider all these external factors and the changes made to the game, then we would expect all 18 Teams to have the same amount of Injuries or at least similar.

The Data shows that our Club has far more injuries than most other AFL Clubs and that is not just based on one year, so something has to be going Wrong!


We have already worked out that our Recruiters play a big part in recruiting Injury prone players to the club but there is more to it than just pure bad luck!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:47 pm 
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As others have said, this is a massive game. Regardless of the opposition, going for a 7th win in a row coming off the high of beating top of the table Collingwood last screams danger game. Then you take 3 of our starting 5 mids and 2 of our 3 tall forwards, and it feels

We most likely need 2 more wins to make the 8 and this looks like the easiest game we have left. If we lose this, we suddenly need 2 wins from our last 3 games, which all look like relatively tough fixtures. If we win this, we will only need 1 more win from 3 games, and with players returning from injury, you’d think we’d be fine.

This really could be a season defining game, especially as St Kilda are one of the teams we’re competing with for spot in the 8. An early elimination final. I hope the payers are looking at it that way and come out to play the way they did on Friday


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:27 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
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the AFL Commission's insistent desire to change the rules of the game, I expect for good reason, but failed to see the obvious repercussions to not applying the rules our forefathers penned. Our forefathers knew change to the rules on field would turn the game into Rugby Union (there was no league at the time, and may have never been if the VFL agreed to take the game there). The game was for athletes who didnt want to get injured during the cricket off season.

The game is brutal on the whole body nowdays.
In the past it was brutal to the head from king hits and shirtfronts. It was a slower game because push in the back was paid, holding the ball was paid, throwing the ball was paid. Let that all be play on and we have mauls.

Not you specifically Dodo but a lot of fans want to blame our Medical and Fitness staff for our injuries. Even before an enquiry? Sure have one but hold fire in the time being.

We have close to the best if not the best Medical & Fitness people at our club. Prove its not. The CV tells us they are amongst the best in business.

Blaming is normal being a Carlton supporter when we are down. But we've won 6 in a row by an av of 52 Points. We will beat Saints with the missing 5 best 22 players.



Your point is well taken and is Valid given how the Game has evolved & changed and it is a hard Game to play......However if we are to consider all these external factors and the changes made to the game, then we would expect all 18 Teams to have the same amount of Injuries or at least similar.

The Data shows that our Club has far more injuries than most other AFL Clubs and that is not just based on one year, so something has to be going Wrong!


We have already worked out that our Recruiters play a big part in recruiting Injury prone players to the club but there is more to it than just pure bad luck!


The last line is another good reason. Its the same players. Will our luck change? or will exchange those players...Marchbank, Gov, Martin, Cuningham, Williams, Kennedy, Honey?

This week will tell us how important these players are...and have been, in our resurgence imo

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:57 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Our defence has been our strongest most consistent unit for the year, & we are only missing Boyd there.

We also don't have any injuries to our small & medium forwards, & IMO they've been the most important group through the revival.

I think we can sustain no Kennedy Walsh Cerra McKay for now. And I never thought I'd be saying that.

Surely Weiters Gov Saad etc. get it done against this pathetic mob

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I like your confidence CK.
It's a mental battle not to worry when there are expectations. Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. Not long until we start getting a few back hopefully. If we play with the endeavour we have been we are every chance.
Should be a cracker of a game.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:29 am 
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The sheer class and brilliance of Walsh and Cerra is irreplaceable. However, what's been getting us over the line has been our evenness. The so called lesser lights have all stepped up and been performing their role exceptionally well. We've been playing as a team which we probably weren't earlier in the year and our pressure has been top notch.
Yes, Walsh and Cerra (along with Kennedy, H and the others will be missed) but as long as everyone pulls their weight and keeps applying the same amount of pressure, we'll be fine.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:25 am 
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To those thinking the players are getting ahead of themselves, go back and watch the song after the game on Friday - it was routine, no huge belting out of the song. They know the job isn't done.

I don't see how they could get ahead of themselves after last year, and the poor patch we had this year.

Fans are always going to get ahead of themselves, but don't think that automatically translates to the players.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:40 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
To those thinking the players are getting ahead of themselves, go back and watch the song after the game on Friday - it was routine, no huge belting out of the song. They know the job isn't done.

I don't see how they could get ahead of themselves after last year, and the poor patch we had this year.

Fans are always going to get ahead of themselves, but don't think that automatically translates to the players.


I agree with this.

I suspect Voss is treating every game equally.
The old saying 'one week at a time'.
He will be telling the players that to be a good side they have to bring the same mindset and intensity every week regardless of who they play.
That's the challenge for him and the team, to adhere to that mantra.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:46 am 
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Tactically though Voss and his assistants will need to be very switched on this week.

Ross Lyon cops a fair bit of flack but the reality is he is no clown and if anything is one of the more astute tactical coaches going around.
He will be working out ways to try and stop our game plan, so I think Voss & Co need to have some contingencies up their sleeves.

Lyon will potentially try and take Weitering out of the contest, so that could be an area Voss & Co need to prepare for.
That's the latest trend, limiting the impact of the interceptor.
Maybe our game plan will account for that or maybe McGovern needs to be deployed in a slightly different manner as a counter initiative.
Regardless, the back 6 will need to be prepared to think on their feet I reckon.

Smashing them at the source early will be important.
If we can get on top early that will be huge.
We didn't start well last week.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:53 am 
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I keep hearing how "they play Marvel so well".

I seem to recall our last two games at Marvel we played pretty well too.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 10:57 am 
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They didn't play Marvel well against North.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:26 am 
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AGRO wrote:
6 weeks of hard work will come undone if we don’t bring the same intensity and pressure to this game.


players k n o w this. it’s why we turned the form slump around.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:02 pm 
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Motlop on SEN this morning - They did the match review on Monday and moved on right away, focussed on St Kilda.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:04 pm 
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I hope Cripps plays


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:58 pm 
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Why wouldn't Cripps play?
If it was a corkie, that would have improved since last week where he played pretty well.

3 things we need to be focused on IMO:
1) Keep our intensity & our shape
2) Keep Sinclair under control
3) Keep our forward handball game going; keep the ball in our forward line even if they clog things up.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:42 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Marchbank has 1 full Game under his belt... that's about his range... he will either pull out this week or breaks down as usual.

I also expect Martin to break down too.....and McGovern is due for a Hammy :grin: :grin: :banghead:


Geez, you must be a real hoot at parties! :garthp:


As a Club, we have always had a Poor run with Injuries and surely it is more than just a run of back luck.


All the more reason to send some positive vibes their way and not try to jinx them when they are finally stringing some games together and showing great form.

I don't even joke about injuries to the opposition - whether you believe in karma or not is irrelevant - it is just distasteful.



No I don't believe in Karma... I believe in something called " Let's chill & have some fun ". :donk: :donk:


Positive vibes always bring negative Results but Negative comments always bring positive results!! That's how it always been with our footy Club!



Just a village idiot with no sense of morality then?

OK, got it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:08 pm 
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We will win and win well

Different Team, Different Club, Different attitude.

The Carlton of the last 25 years is now in the past


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