since when has carlton v collingwood played at OO and since when has the pies v blues not been shown on FTA on a delayed start?

thats right - since the great move from OO where we are supposed to be better off with FTA and an assortment of other benefits which im yet to see either.

look, im so disenchanted with this game at the moment.

when you get rewarded for being shit i.e. us this year and the way some supporters carrying on about how good it will be to lose.

when you get a set of rules for our club and a set of rules for every other club

when you get a board that seems so scared to ruffle any feathers as not to upset the AFL

when you own supporters want to lose so that you can get extra draft picks

we are playing like crap at the moment - and i can handle that - losing is apart of the game - but the off field shit we have gone through and are going through and the way the supporters are carrying on.

well im over it. just dont care anymore.

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Biggest furphy of all time is that interstate matches do not rate in Melbourne. Channel 10 broadcast the Western Derby in Round 22 2003 (which was a finals shaping match, and ended up being one of the games of the season) and got one of their best ratings results in Melbourne for the year.

Showdowns, particularly at night, are bruising encounters and belters. For a final 8/top 4 place up for grabs this match will be no exception. By contrast, the Collingwood v Carlton match looks likely to have no bearing at all on finals calculations, so Channel 10 have simply made what they believe to be the best choice for them.

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gee this thread is funny.

all these melbourne based carlton supporters are bleating cause the game wont be on a one hour delay at home any more, but instead will be on live in 90% of watering holes in melbourne LIVE.
so now to watch the game they will either A have to go to a Pub or B actually go to THE game!


gee you poor bastards.

doesnt worry me because i'm in Canberra and already KNOW i'll be AT THE GAME!

guys it's time to realise that this isnt the VFL anymore, and we are not a sucessful club anymore and non carlton supporters dont give hoot about us!

Ten has made the correct choice, and Scotty why would Ten Televise two games in one night? first of all i'm pretty sure they only have the right to one game while fox gets the other and they cant double dip and televise one in one state and one in another, becaus eits going to harm Fox's ratings and they would want to anyway as they have the extra expense of covering two games. makes no sence

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Channel 10 has totally lost the plot. Surely they are interested in ratings and there would have to be more Carlton/Collingwood fans in Melb than any other combination. End of the day I follow Carlton, not football. I would rather watch Carlton playing off for the wooden spoon than any other match ..... period. I couldnt care less about Adelaide, the top 4, South Australian rivalry etc etc. I am sure that the croweaters dont care about our rivalry with the filth!!!

I actually never even watch the Grand Final if Carlton aren't playing. Could not give a stuff about any other team, and there would be plenty more like me. I once read somebody write that football was about romance and hope. The hope that things would get better etc, the romance of an underdog win etc. Didnt the EJ Whitten legends game rate through the roof?? There was nothing at stake there, save a potential visit to the cardio vascular ward for some of the perticipants.

We all want a little bit of tradition, rivalry, something with a touch of the cinderella about it. Something more than the homogenised, pasteurised, low risk option, play by numbers crud, rehashed by the same kind of kids each weekend, but in slightly different coloured jumpers.


Please, please, please, please, please can the TV ratings guy call me on the Monday following the game. I'd love to tell him all about how I never watch:

Police Drama Shows,
Medical Drama Shows,
Hell, Drama shows full stop,
re-runs of 'Everybody Loves Raymond'
Reality Shows, or
Football games not involving Carlton.


Shame on you Ch 10. At least I have Fox Footy!

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As a Carlton member (who is unable to go to games) and part of approx. 80% of the population who don"t subscribe to Foxtel, this is a further kick in the guts as I won't be able to see the age old rivalry of these two great clubs go at it once again.
Very disheartened at the moment and pondering whether membership is worth it for me if I can't see the team play (especially against Collingwood).

a little short sighted there gerry. this isnt about interstate viewers v melbourne viewers.

i would imagine that both clubs - carlton and collingwood would have agreed in principals for their sponsors to have a certain amount of FTA coverage and i dont think it too unreasonably of them to consider a carlton v collingwood as almost guarantee that it would be shown on FTA.

so the decision made by channel 10 not to show a game, which would otherwise be shown normally you would think, could possibly cost both clubs money in sponsorship revenue.

and another thing - and i know this will shit alot of you - but melbourne is still the centre of the AFL - you may not want to admit it, but Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon* and Richmond are the clubs that have floated this competition for a long long time and it will continue to do so.

harping on about the fact that its a national competition is fine but it is those 4 clubs that generate the most support.

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i dont think it's short sighted at all.

if carlton were a finals contender the game would probably on FTA.

so who do we blame for this? Channel 10? makes no sense.

10 has their own interests at stake and i can understand whole heartedly why the made the decision they did. the point i was make about it being a national comp was because like i said the majority of non carlton supporters out there dont give a stuff about us and if given the choice would rather watch two decent teams fighitng it out in game that while shape the 8/4. not two bottom four clubs with little to play for.

why penalise the club? you either support them or your dont. i live in canberra (previously Batemans Bay) and i have been a paid up member since i was 15 with my own money.

is there a pub near buy with the game on you maight be able to go too? know anyone who has fox? Maybe going to the game it'self could be an option with the way flights are cheap these days. i can understand your dissapointment at missing the game but dont penalise the club when it needs as much support as it can muster. Heck write to the club expressing your dissapointment if you like.

In the past yes, like really in the past. But season 2005 is clearly showing that the AFL functions quite effectively when all four teams are not a powerful team on gameday. You're kidding yourself if you think the AFL would not exist without one or all of the "big four" clubs. Imagine the sponsorship dollars freed up for all the other clubs, be they in Melbourne or not, if Collingwood didn't exist.

And you might want to take a look at the membership figures of all the AFL clubs too Prez.

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I've been a (financial) supporter for a lot longer than 7 years buddy but let's not start a pissing contest.

Why penalise the club? I don't want to, but the things that I love about the club and the game are slowly disappearing one by one.

Well it could be worse. It could be Carlton vs Collingwood at the Adelaide Oval on Foxtel

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its as simple as this

you take carlton, collingwood, Essendon* and richmond out of the AFL

there is no AFL

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Like I said, you kidding yourself if you reckon that is the case. Those days are long gone.

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just take one line out of what i said and disregard the rest.

did you happen to notice my suggestions after that line? i guess not.
if thats the way you feel then i'm sorry to hear it and all the best with whatever else you do with your time.

who said anything about a pissing contest?
I was just trying to illistrate the point that just because you cant see them play doesnt mean you shouldn't support them.

would you have the same attitude if we were winning, and for whatever reason you still couldnt see the game? Times are tough at the moment, everyone knows it, thats why the club needs everyone support more than ever.


stay tough

how long do you honestly think the afl would continue to be successful if you took those 4 clubs out of the competition?

you are kidding yourself if you think the AFL could sustain itself without those 4 teams.

get jarusa on this but i recall reading a stat that those for clubs contribute 60% of what the afl needs to sustain themselves, with the other 12 clubs contributing 40%.

Dont believe the shit the AFL spews about the game being in the best condition it has ever been. Remove those 4 from the game and watch the game fall around its knees.

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hate to side with the AFL, but there's record crowds this year with three of those teams playing like shit.

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i reckon the AFL would suffer big time if the big for were excluded at once for sure, but we all know that will never happen.

the beauty of the top 4 is that they are always stong in terms of support regardless where they sit on the ladder.
richmond has dropped off a bit slightly due 20 odd poor years, and have a bit of a bandwagon factor at the moment, but carlton, collingwood and the dons are all still as stong as they have ever been.

my point is that the AFL is bigger than those four clubs though, and the sake of expaning nationally and into new areas is more of prioity for the AFL at the moment.

Carlton just need to keep plugging away and when we are winning again the media coverage and sponsorship dollars will take care of them selves

I wonder if its motivation by the AFL/MEDIA to hasten the Carlton Roos merger? we will eventually be sucked dry by those pricks if we keep bending over.

lol...you can be as high & mighty as you like gezman but footy isn't as great as it used to be to a lot of people these days. Whether that affects clubs' membership in the future I doubt it, but we'll wait and see.


IMO the next media rights deal should include the the following packages up for bidding:
- live/delayed free to air coverage (minimun 6 games per round)
- live paytv games
- paytv full game replays
- 2 hour fta highlights package (eg. Monday night 10.30pm timeslot)
- Internet coverage rights.

Carlton vs Collingwood being restricted to a maximum 20% of the population (Foxtel) is wrong IMO.

You are lapping up their propaganda Deano. Look WHO is getting those crowds. Oh shit, it's Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon*!

Hope it bites you on the ass Channel 10