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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:20 am 
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Lappin was on Daniel Harford's show on SEN from 11 - 12 on Sunday morning. It was simply a chat about football in general rather than just about the Blues.

Unfortunately I was in the car and only heard bits of the interview while also trying to listen to my girlfriend ramble on about some stuff......but my ears pricked up when they asked him about the game.

They said - going into half time Carlton had a bit of momentum after getting back into the game with 5 quick goals....but after half time the team went back to defensive tactics.

He replied, that the players were simply playing to the coaches instructions.

It was more the way he said it - like he meant we are been stiffled by the directions set down by the coaching panel.

Did anyone else hear this? Did you get the same impression?

Not long after - talk turned to Sheedy and Lappin was praising him about how well he has deflected attention from his players form in recent weeks......

Both these comments seemed that they were slight jibes at Pagan. Of course I may have simply misinterpreted these comments as my ears were ringing from my girlfriend and her never ending chatter...it just goes on and on and on and on and........

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Wouldn't surprise me Monty. Even Whitnall has been suggesting as much in some post-game interviews and it is trying to read between the lines with some of the players comments where you get an idea of how Denis has completely lost the players. It is indirect jibes like you mention, the tone of voice, the less then convincing responses to questions that suggest the things are nowhere near as right as they should be.

Then again, the crap we see on-field every week suggests as much anyway!!! :roll:

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Monty word of advise for you .

If your girlfreind is costantly chatttering and nagging in your year while your trying to listen to the radio. Either learn to do what I have mastered and just dont listen to her. Or get rid of her in case you end up doing something stupid like marrying her .

Because if she is nagging in you ear now wait until you have been married for 5 -10 years .

PS just to let you know how bad it was my wife was actually convinced I was going death so I went off for a hearing test to find out everthing was ok. I asked the bloke doing the test could he produce another report saying I had lost 30% of my hearing because if I had gone home with a clear test I wouldn't have heard the end of it. :lol:

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I heard the interview as well and yes, they reverted to the 1 - 2 man forward line in the third quarter because Adelaide were kicking with the breeze and they were trying to bottle it up so that they could be in touch for a run at them in the last quarter. They were following instructions from the "coaching panel". As I heard him say this my thought was: "if it didn't work in the first quarter why should it work this time?". Skinny then went on to say that it wasn't that much of a breeze anyway! :shock:

Was asked by Harf how his mate Campo was going at Essendon* seeing that he left for "greener pastures"! That's when Skinny complemented Sheeds on deflecting the criticism and didn't really answer the question. Jason Richardson then had a crack at S Dew from Port Adelaide about being the "fattest guy in football". Skinny mentioned that he looked "a bit big" but that it could be just his body type. Skinny then said that Matty Allan had told him that while Rioli looked overweight his skinfolds were always pretty good and that his body type always made him look bad. I was waiting for Lance's name to come up in the conversation but it never did.........

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:49 am 
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Footballers want the opportunity to win games and they are being denied that by inept coaching.

As I mentioned a few weeks ago, good coaches sense momentum and know how to take advantage.
Even though we were being outscored, we were playing some good positive footy from halfway through the first quarter.
We continued that in the second and had all the momentum at half time.

We came out after half time with a defensive set up.
Our centre square set up consisted of Ian Prendergast! Trent Sporn! and Kade Simpson.
In the first half Carlton won about 12 clearances and this trio had 1 between them.
Sporn was playing as a defensive midfielder through the game which was fair enough but for flowers sake, you have to have a ball winner involved.
Simmo is a peripheral runner and deserves a place in the middle but he should be in a rotation with Kouta, Stevens, Bentick or Scotland.

10 minutes in to the quarter, Adelaide have totally regained their momentum and the opportunity was lost.
Not only were their midfielders winning the ball but they were having shots at goal as well.
By the time Snoozy in the box woke up and bought Bentick on, the horse had bolted.

Dont even mention Lance lining up in the back half. :roll:

The inability to adapt is frustrating the hell out of me.
We actually played a quality style of game. We used the ball with a structure that we HAVE to play to succeed.
We held the ball up when required, kicked to the onleading short and kicked long only when we got to the centre.
We just need more practice doing it.

Blind Freddy (including myself) has been begging Pagan to play a game style relevant to this century.
This week we tried it at times. But it's going to take time.
We have been training to play a pig headed, archaic style of game for 3 years. Totally irrelevant to modern football.
Now that Denis has been dragged kicking and screaming in to the 21st century, it's going to take time for him to adapt and longer for the players to adapt.

When we call for rotations, we would expect the MC to have the brains to implement them properly.
Rotations are not playing a player in the midfield for a quarter and then resting him on a wing!
Rotations are 5, 10, 15 minute stints on the ball and then a rest.
But of course we cant use the bench.
Our bench is used to bring kids in to the side to pacify supporters and then keep them off the field.

Denis is all over the shop at the moment.
Last week he said the Tigers stole our thunder for tactics.
On Saturday he said tactics had nothing to do with Richmond winning, it was Adelaide having a bad day!

Funny that no one has a bad day against us. :?

No wonder the players are frustrated. They just want to win games of footy.
At least give them the opportunity to do so.

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what happened to the ruthlessness?? :cry:

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Monty Burns wrote:
Lappin was on Daniel Harford's show on SEN from 11 - 12 on Sunday morning. It was simply a chat about football in general rather than just about the Blues.

Unfortunately I was in the car and only heard bits of the interview while also trying to listen to my girlfriend ramble on about some stuff......but my ears pricked up when they asked him about the game.

They said - going into half time Carlton had a bit of momentum after getting back into the game with 5 quick goals....but after half time the team went back to defensive tactics.

He replied, that the players were simply playing to the coaches instructions.

It was more the way he said it - like he meant we are been stiffled by the directions set down by the coaching panel.

Did anyone else hear this? Did you get the same impression?

Not long after - talk turned to Sheedy and Lappin was praising him about how well he has deflected attention from his players form in recent weeks......

Both these comments seemed that they were slight jibes at Pagan. Of course I may have simply misinterpreted these comments as my ears were ringing from my girlfriend and her never ending chatter...it just goes on and on and on and on and........



But he did back Denis ?

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:29 pm 
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Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


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ballistic blues wrote:
We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill



Didn't you say we had the shittest list in the league about 3 weeks ago???

Make up your mind knackers


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ballistic blues wrote:
Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


Nah hes just Damned....

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Rhys26 wrote:
ballistic blues wrote:
We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill



Didn't you say we had the shittest list in the league about 3 weeks ago???

Make up your mind knackers


Yeah we have a shit list........ dude with names like Prenda, Davies, Teague, Mcgrath, Wigins, Livo, Sporn, Bannister, Chambers, Longmuir, Deluca clearly demonstrates a lack of depth and talent

when they are desposed of, we will have a fresh young TALENTED group of guys


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:45 pm 
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ballistic blues wrote:
Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


Fantastic!!!!

You mean Denis is'nt really this inept, he's just tricking?
We are just tanking????

Cunning plan BB!

(Shall we call Denis, Baldrick? ) :wink:

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ballistic blues wrote:
Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


Draft is not like that this year. No Murphy standout this year. Even set of "guns".

Pick 4 is only slightly inferior (at this stage) to pick 1. Yet a team who wins 7 or 8 and gets pick 4 gets a huge boost (in comparison) to kids development and optimism on the field and off it as compared to say 5 wins and a percentage of 75 and pick 1.

We are not talking about Carlton pick 1 + 4 of 2005 and Essendon* 8 wins and pick 7 of 2005

We are talking about that same scenario being pick 1 and pick 4. With both players taken being of a very high standard and above anybody taken in the 2005 draft at the same stage.


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How can anyone possible believe that a senior coach of his experiance would approach a game with such a negative attitude. I have no doubt he believes in the players and thats why he implements such negative tactics cause he knows we could upset a few


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mojo31 wrote:
ballistic blues wrote:
Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


Draft is not like that this year. No Murphy standout this year. Even set of "guns".

Pick 4 is only slightly inferior (at this stage) to pick 1. Yet a team who wins 7 or 8 and gets pick 4 gets a huge boost (in comparison) to kids development and optimism on the field and off it as compared to say 5 wins and a percentage of 75 and pick 1.

We are not talking about Carlton pick 1 + 4 of 2005 and Essendon* 8 wins and pick 7 of 2005

We are talking about that same scenario being pick 1 and pick 4. With both players taken being of a very high standard and above anybody taken in the 2005 draft at the same stage.


i been told that there are atleast 8 players better than Marc Murphy in this years draft. So if Murph was in the 2006 draft he would get picked up around 6-8


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:59 pm 
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ballistic blues wrote:
mojo31 wrote:
ballistic blues wrote:
Denis knows that we lack talent so why would he wana finish middle of the road and pick up another Jordan Russel when we could get a Judd, Hodge or Delidio.

Next year im sure we will see a diferent game plan a different team with the likes of Walks, Simpson, Bentick, Russel, Harts, betts, Murph, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards and the 2 young guns we pick up at the end of the year....... Throw in Fev, Lance, Stevens, T-bird, Fish and Waite and that is a good group going forward.

No longer will we see a a line up with names like Sporn, Bannister, Prenda, Chambers and Longmuir.

We will have some depth, pace, talent and skill

Winning games helps us financially but winning games could hurt rebuilding this list.

Denis is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't


Draft is not like that this year. No Murphy standout this year. Even set of "guns".

Pick 4 is only slightly inferior (at this stage) to pick 1. Yet a team who wins 7 or 8 and gets pick 4 gets a huge boost (in comparison) to kids development and optimism on the field and off it as compared to say 5 wins and a percentage of 75 and pick 1.

We are not talking about Carlton pick 1 + 4 of 2005 and Essendon* 8 wins and pick 7 of 2005

We are talking about that same scenario being pick 1 and pick 4. With both players taken being of a very high standard and above anybody taken in the 2005 draft at the same stage.


i been told that there are atleast 8 players better than Marc Murphy in this years draft. So if Murph was in the 2006 draft he would get picked up around 6-8


Where did you get that from? :idea:


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There is no Deledio/Griffen down to Egan class difference between the best few and the 8/9/10 picks this year.

No "comparitive advantage" in getting pick 1 or 2 over 4 or 5. Thats the thing with a very strong deep draft. Everybody will get a gun prospect. Not all of those prospects will turen into guns though. Injurioes, attitude and development might cause a few to not make it.
Just like some snior players get injuries or drop away so cana kid not make it.

If you want a sure 100% guaranteed thing then recruiting and AFL is not for you. I mean star players like J Brown, Nathan Brown and Tredrea dont get injured do they?

So if the first 7 or 8 picks gets a very talented player on a very similar level then whats the advantage of finishing last really over winning 8 to 10 games? Not much really. Which is the point in supporters hoping to finish last to get Bryce Gibbs or someone else they read about.
Gibbs could go at 1 or 5. Its that even.

Its like pick 2 from last year with Ellis, Thomas, Ryder, Kennedy etc. Only the quality on offer is a fair bit higher at the same stage.


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Mojo the difference is we need 1,17 and 18 and whatever else if possible though.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Monty word of advise for you .

If your girlfreind is costantly chatttering and nagging in your year while your trying to listen to the radio. Either learn to do what I have mastered and just dont listen to her. Or get rid of her in case you end up doing something stupid like marrying her .

Because if she is nagging in you ear now wait until you have been married for 5 -10 years .

PS just to let you know how bad it was my wife was actually convinced I was going death so I went off for a hearing test to find out everthing was ok. I asked the bloke doing the test could he produce another report saying I had lost 30% of my hearing because if I had gone home with a clear test I wouldn't have heard the end of it. :lol:



Onya SB, I think I might do what you did and see a Dr who will say I'm deaf in my left ear.....at least that way I don't have to reply to my g/f while I'm driving........

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