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He's not fast and that's a big negative. His skills are average.


I agree that he is not overly quick, but please tell me where over the past 2 games, his skills have been poor amongst his 38 possessions. He never double grabs, his handballs hit the targets and his foot skills have been very good.

By all means put forward points about why you don't think he will make it, but please don't make stuff up to simply beef up your argument.

Regards Cazzesman


Very biased comments Cazzesman. We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

By the way stats mean jack, if the disposals aren't effective.

He's past 2 games have been good and have acknowledged that, BUT most posters fail to recognise the opportunities AB has had this year and his ordinary performances in those other games, including poor disposals in those games.

And believe me, I keep a close eye on our young and developing players, and I think he's SLOW and SKILLS ARE AVERAGE (my opinion) - AND THAT IS WHAT MAY BRING ABOUT HIS UNDOING, not saying this will happen, but AB is not on the safe list either - JURY IS OUT.

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'. :P

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Very biased comments Cazzesman. We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.



:lol: That's very funny Wangers...how does a bloke who sits in the stands and spots a kid he likes the look of, get to influence the selection committee?

If that was the case, MMM and JB would be ripping it up for the Blues now. 8)


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Just on the Burgoyne matchup - PB was killing us in the Power game earlier this year and Pagan switched Bowyer onto him and really took him out of business. I would think Pagan was trying to do a similar thing with Bentick, who is a similar type of hard-nosed grunt as Bowyer (except I would think AB is actually quicker than GB).

To put a positive spin on it, the only logical player to play on PB who could match it for pace would have been Simmo, but Simmo was obviously too valuable in other areas to be spared for the tag....


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AB has now come of age - sadly it means the end for Johnno.


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As an impartial AB watcher (impartial?), I think its important to note that AB did have an early season horror run with his kicking. It affected him in both the 1's and 2's, and it surprised the hell out of me because of watching him last year. His kicking skills are normally very good, I wouldn't say the best, but a great pass to a lead. He doesn't have a long kick.

Whatever happened, he was trying to manage it by really hunching over the ball and managing the kick. That didnt seem to work. Then, over the iwnter, a couple of great games (plus effective) in the 2's seem to have got that out of him.

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wangers, i disagree with you assessment of bentick skills - i think you would agree his technique is very sound and that is the most important thing - unlike davies who drops the ball from a huge height and sprays them everywhere - i accept that benticks kicks arent at the quality of stevo quite yet - but he is a 2nd year player - and there are hardly any 2nd year players who consitently hit targets and kick perfect punts everytime - hell - look at campo who is great at turning the ball over and he is 30!

The main thing is that benticks technique is right, and in a year or two I gurantee we will all be praising his disposal.


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I think youll find TWO years ago Bentick wasnt taken by a club in the national draft and Denis invited him along to pre season training along with a host of others and drafted him as a rooke.
Denis had a good look at him last year and elevated Bentick from the rookie list to the senior list.....

Bentick has not been our weak link in the games he has played recently.

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Bentick is very much like Sam Mitchell and Daniel Harris....foot disposal isnt perfect but uses constructive handball to make up for it and is good in contested situations..I really like him as a player and he only needs more games to get better.
Will probably be in competition with Jessie Smith for the in and under work if and when Smith makes the senior list..I think there is room for them both..I just hope Bentick doesnt get dropped if he has a poor game this week and replaced by Johnson... and then the reverse the following week...persist with the young players regardless of result...

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Wangers wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Wangers wrote:

He's not fast and that's a big negative. His skills are average.


I agree that he is not overly quick, but please tell me where over the past 2 games, his skills have been poor amongst his 38 possessions. He never double grabs, his handballs hit the targets and his foot skills have been very good.

By all means put forward points about why you don't think he will make it, but please don't make stuff up to simply beef up your argument.

Regards Cazzesman


Very biased comments Cazzesman. We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

By the way stats mean jack, if the disposals aren't effective.

He's past 2 games have been good and have acknowledged that, BUT most posters fail to recognise the opportunities AB has had this year and his ordinary performances in those other games, including poor disposals in those games.

And believe me, I keep a close eye on our young and developing players, and I think he's SLOW and SKILLS ARE AVERAGE (my opinion) - AND THAT IS WHAT MAY BRING ABOUT HIS UNDOING, not saying this will happen, but AB is not on the safe list either - JURY IS OUT.

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'. :P


See Wangers this is were some posters struggle. It's because they make crap up. I would always encourage people to have an opinion but when a person posts simple fairy tales then it is just a waste of everyone’s time.

Why are my comments bias? You stated AB's disposal was poor. I asked you to explain which of his last 38 possessions fell into such a category. You tell me stats mean nothing and I agree but you continue to suggest his disposals were ineffective. Again I ask, when and where. Watch the replays, as I have, and please tell me when and where. Should be easy to do if his poor disposals were that glaring.

The kid turned 20 in June and has fought his way up off the rookie list. He has been in the AFL system 18 months. So far this year he has played 6 AFL games. In the first 4 games this year he had very little game time and struggled to have an impact. Lots of kids have been in the same boat. Many players including our own Simpson, Waite and Carrazzo never set the world on fire in their early years.

In 12 VFL games this year AB has been named in the best 8 times and most weeks he matches up against AFL listed players. The best players are selected by Mitchell and his Assistants and they are hard task masters, so I think it is fair to suggest he has deserved the accolades.

At the start of the year AB was in the back-pocket in the VFL and has worked his way from there to be a dominant onball in the VFL. His good form has got him a starting spot in the Centre square in the AFL. That’s not a bad journey in the season so far. He has his short comings with his speed but you post (with your CAPTIAL letters) as if you want him to fail. Is that simply so you can tell everyone you were right????.

He gets regular coaching from our sprint coach and whilst implimenting a change in running technique to improve his speed, his foot skills suffered a tad. After alot of work he is getting the two skills in sync and it is slowly coming together.

Now as for the following comment…….

We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

You are well and truly off with the fairies Wangers and talking absolute shite. As I said before…you just make stuff up to suit. The closest I got to having anything to do with AB being on any list is by sitting at a table in the CFC Social Club drinking coffee with Mrs Caz and Chief on the day AB and his father sat at another table and signed his rookie contract with Shane O’Sullivan.

No need to apologise for that misrepresentation.

Then we have these gems….

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'.


How you arrived at these comments from my original post only you would know. Sounds like some kind of 'chip on your shoulder' but it is hard to tell.

But having said that……..Yes I am extremely pleased AB has played some good games of late and is getting a chance. I am pleased because he is one of the nicest lads you could ever hope to meet. He is pleasant, cheerful, polite and above all he is 110% committed to getting the best out of himself.

He knows he is no superstar, but he is prepared to work his fingers to the bone to do what he needs to never die wondering. CFC could do with another 40 with his attitude. On top of that his parents are wonderful people. Mr Bentick has been a lifelong CFC supporter and is one of life’s gentleman. Mrs Bentick is one of the most cheerful and charming ladies you will ever meet. This is why I hope AB succeeds. CFC needs people like him and his family around the club.

Regards Cazzesman

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I'd like to see Smith and Bentick rotate on the ball/key midfielder next year. Play the same role but split it in 2... or a 3 way rotation with Carrazzo, where 2 play on, 1 sits on the pine.

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GO CAZZY, GO CAZZY, GO CAZZY!!!

That explains everything, Cazz. Interested in the reason for AB's early season kicking woes being attributed to sprinting training. it was clear that something was up as AB was getting very frustrated out there, but I believe he's overcome it now.


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Hey Mr Cee...........

i like Adam.......and i can see him being a big
part of our team.........!

his disposal is improving....and anyone who can
drop the ball onto their boot.....and kick it 50 metres....
off NO steps.......is alright by me.......!


kindest regards tommi



ummmmm......just in case....you ummmm....thought
i didn't like him......you know....ummm....i'm on
your side......you know........!

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I do hope he's not wearing number 40 next year

too many bad Plunkett memories

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Love the way he can break a tackle in the middle and get rid of the ball ... he has at times, dare i say it, reminded me of the great man himself (GW).


Thanks - you're too kind... :-D


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Every footballer on our list has deficiencies of some description, what's important is how they address them.
AB knows he has pace issues but instead of accepting them, he worked with a sprint coach and changed and streamlined his running style.
He knows he needs extra bulk to play midfield so he works his arse off in the gym building himself up.
Players like AB, T/Bird, Fish and Carrots are the heart of the playing group.
They give the examples that the older heads should be giving.
AB may never be a top shelf AFL player but it wont be from lack of effort.

As for his game on Sunday, I think he is being harshly judged.
Burgoyne looked flashy running around and kicking his 3 goals in the first quarter but AB kicked one goal and won the contests that resulted in 3 of our other scores.
Not to mention the goal Burgoyne gave us when he shat himself and put Bishop under the pump resulting in a goal to Waite.

AB had a phenomenal 11 tackles (something which has improved greatly since he has returned to the seniors), the most clearances, the most first possessions and the equal most contested possessions.

AB has his limitations but he wont give up until he's addressed them all.
Give him time and have patience.
It will be worth the wait.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Wangers wrote:
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He's not fast and that's a big negative. His skills are average.


I agree that he is not overly quick, but please tell me where over the past 2 games, his skills have been poor amongst his 38 possessions. He never double grabs, his handballs hit the targets and his foot skills have been very good.

By all means put forward points about why you don't think he will make it, but please don't make stuff up to simply beef up your argument.

Regards Cazzesman


Very biased comments Cazzesman. We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

By the way stats mean jack, if the disposals aren't effective.

He's past 2 games have been good and have acknowledged that, BUT most posters fail to recognise the opportunities AB has had this year and his ordinary performances in those other games, including poor disposals in those games.

And believe me, I keep a close eye on our young and developing players, and I think he's SLOW and SKILLS ARE AVERAGE (my opinion) - AND THAT IS WHAT MAY BRING ABOUT HIS UNDOING, not saying this will happen, but AB is not on the safe list either - JURY IS OUT.

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'. :P


See Wangers this is were some posters struggle. It's because they make crap up. I would always encourage people to have an opinion but when a person posts simple fairy tales then it is just a waste of everyone’s time.

Why are my comments bias? You stated AB's disposal was poor. I asked you to explain which of his last 38 possessions fell into such a category. You tell me stats mean nothing and I agree but you continue to suggest his disposals were ineffective. Again I ask, when and where. Watch the replays, as I have, and please tell me when and where. Should be easy to do if his poor disposals were that glaring.

The kid turned 20 in June and has fought his way up off the rookie list. He has been in the AFL system 18 months. So far this year he has played 6 AFL games. In the first 4 games this year he had very little game time and struggled to have an impact. Lots of kids have been in the same boat. Many players including our own Simpson, Waite and Carrazzo never set the world on fire in their early years.

In 12 VFL games this year AB has been named in the best 8 times and most weeks he matches up against AFL listed players. The best players are selected by Mitchell and his Assistants and they are hard task masters, so I think it is fair to suggest he has deserved the accolades.

At the start of the year AB was in the back-pocket in the VFL and has worked his way from there to be a dominant onball in the VFL. His good form has got him a starting spot in the Centre square in the AFL. That’s not a bad journey in the season so far. He has his short comings with his speed but you post (with your CAPTIAL letters) as if you want him to fail. Is that simply so you can tell everyone you were right????.

He gets regular coaching from our sprint coach and whilst implimenting a change in running technique to improve his speed, his foot skills suffered a tad. After alot of work he is getting the two skills in sync and it is slowly coming together.

Now as for the following comment…….

We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

You are well and truly off with the fairies Wangers and talking absolute shite. As I said before…you just make stuff up to suit. The closest I got to having anything to do with AB being on any list is by sitting at a table in the CFC Social Club drinking coffee with Mrs Caz and Chief on the day AB and his father sat at another table and signed his rookie contract with Shane O’Sullivan.

No need to apologise for that misrepresentation.

Then we have these gems….

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'.


How you arrived at these comments from my original post only you would know. Sounds like some kind of 'chip on your shoulder' but it is hard to tell.

But having said that……..Yes I am extremely pleased AB has played some good games of late and is getting a chance. I am pleased because he is one of the nicest lads you could ever hope to meet. He is pleasant, cheerful, polite and above all he is 110% committed to getting the best out of himself.

He knows he is no superstar, but he is prepared to work his fingers to the bone to do what he needs to never die wondering. CFC could do with another 40 with his attitude. On top of that his parents are wonderful people. Mr Bentick has been a lifelong CFC supporter and is one of life’s gentleman. Mrs Bentick is one of the most cheerful and charming ladies you will ever meet. This is why I hope AB succeeds. CFC needs people like him and his family around the club.

Regards Cazzesman


The jury is out as far as I'm concerned. And no, I don't 'have a chip on my shoulder'. I just think his positives and negatives are just about equal, hence my assesment.

You can't teach a tortoise to run like a hare. Speed may improve, but he'll never be a hare.

I will state it again, I don't mind the lad - I think there's a lot of upside to him in the packs and getting the ball out, as we saw on many occassions in the past 2 games.

Speed is what most of the game is about, and is a BIG element in football, hence my emphasis in capitals - I wasn't implying I was right - I have an opinion as do you and others.

It's good to emphasise the positives about a player, but it should be balanced with the negatives (if any).

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[...... Did you see the game against the Cats where he was exposed by pace? or you weren't at that game, either???

He's not fast and that's a big negative. His skills are average. He can get the ball, and can be good in the packs, but that's as far as it goes. All I said is he's skating on thin ice - meaning he may stay (just) or go!!! :twisted:


I saw the Cats game........everyone appeared to be exposed for pace by the pussies. Burgoyne is the best indigenous player going around at the minute and arguably top 5 in the AFL - DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE! He has a history of playing slashing games against the blues.

As for AB - I quite like the boy. His pace is a worry. But thats OK because our footy dept is chock full of specialist trainers and we'll use our ex Olympic athlete speed coach to extract maximum speed for eg improve technique etc.


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Bentick shouldn't have been playing on Burgoyne. It was a silly move it would have been like playing Brett Ratten on Peter Matera.

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Wangers wrote:
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He's not fast and that's a big negative. His skills are average.


I agree that he is not overly quick, but please tell me where over the past 2 games, his skills have been poor amongst his 38 possessions. He never double grabs, his handballs hit the targets and his foot skills have been very good.

By all means put forward points about why you don't think he will make it, but please don't make stuff up to simply beef up your argument.

Regards Cazzesman


Very biased comments Cazzesman. We all know you had a lot to do with his selection to the list.

By the way stats mean jack, if the disposals aren't effective.

He's past 2 games have been good and have acknowledged that, BUT most posters fail to recognise the opportunities AB has had this year and his ordinary performances in those other games, including poor disposals in those games.

And believe me, I keep a close eye on our young and developing players, and I think he's SLOW and SKILLS ARE AVERAGE (my opinion) - AND THAT IS WHAT MAY BRING ABOUT HIS UNDOING, not saying this will happen, but AB is not on the safe list either - JURY IS OUT.

Tell me Cazzesman, you're not hanging your hat on 2 performances?

No need to get protective over 'your boy'. :P


Cheers Wangers. No idea and rude at the same time.


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If the AB knockers aren't quitened now, I don't know what the frig he has to do to convince you. Just a squad member, too slow, poor decision maker, good ordinary player and the real lulu of them all: Johnno is better. I would like to see some stats on Ratts best games early in his career and make a comparison. This kid is 20 years old, has played about 10 games and has grabbed his chance by the scruff of the neck.

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