I already told you why he's in the 2's. I'm not the only one who thinks that. He will not be going anywhere & you'll find that out in time so you're wasting your time if you think otherwise.

We're all wasting our time. None of what we say actually makes any difference.

I doubt Houlihan will be delisted because he does have talent and who knows, he may actually turn it around. But I sure that he'll be bandied about to any club with even a remote interest in him during the trade period.

Yes you finally got something right because you won't be making the decision. He won't be delisted because he's contracted & he will be given the chance to turn it around. He won't be traded for reasons I've already told you & don't see any point repeating.

I understand what you are saying Blue. So are the ones playing in the seniors more on the knife edge than the ones playing reserves?
Morell and Wiggins for example might be in the gun but a player like Davies who has noit played AFL for a long time might be given another chance next year?
Is that about right?

Your guess is as good as mine on those other players. I only know about Houla.

And how do you know about Houla? Does Denis Pagan often come up to your house to discuss the future of his VFL players?

Well obviously Denis Pagan doesn't come up to my house to discuss the future of his VFL players because I just told you I don't know what's going on with them all. This has gone on long enough Andain & why should I tell you anything?

I like to find the figures on how much goals fevola kicks from Houilhan passes. They work good together even thou, one is a goose and one is a girly player

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Leave Houla alone Sly or I'll set Arnie on ya.

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Well Fev recently nominated Houla as the player he most likes being on the end of. Maybe that's why he hasn't been going so well last few weeks!

I hope you are right there.

People tend to forget that not all players have all the attributes of an elite player. If they did then we would all have bona fide champions like Hird and Voss running around in the AFL.

Some lack pace, some lack poise, some lack height, some can't tackle and some just aint tough but it doesn't mean they can't play footy and influence games.

Houla is all skill and class. I don't expect him to be tough.

Campo has gotten away with being a softy for 10 years and it's only been while we have been shit that people have been bagging him.

The true deficiency in our team is talent. Players like Carrazzo, McCrath, French, Livo, Pretendergast, Bannister, Johnson, Morell, Teague, Chambers, De Luca, Wiggins etc may try their hearts out and at times put their bodies on the line but they would not get a regular game in a final 8 team. That is why we are bottom. Talent.

Speaking of talent it pisses me off that Norman and Davies don't get a run. Norman may not be setting the world on fire in the VFL but at least he has talent and it should be nurtured in the AFL. I know the guy has issues but I hope we keep him. As for Davies, when has Pagan given this kid a real go. He is always in the best players in VFL because he is played in his best position - on the ball.

With the VFL finals on this weekend I doubt that Davies will get a game. They'd want him for the Bullants, and that is the dilemma for this weekend, do we play a kid in the seniors for the experience or does the kid play in the VFL finals?

I'd also hate to see some of the posters here have their wish and see players like Houla and Lance traded.

Whiitnal and Houlihan remind me of an animal whose name lends itself to being blamed...

I'm so fricken sick of hearing about our own fans thinking Houlihan is shit and deserves to be traded. It's starting fricken frustrate me. Why are you saying this stuff about your own player. He's 23 and yes he has played a few bad games this year, but he's not the only one. Did you see the way we played yesterday? They played like shit. And you are blaming him for the way they played? He didn't even play yesterday.

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Agreed. Unfortunatley some posters think that we will be better off getting rid of the few talented players we have.

They'll definitely persevere with Houla & he'll be working on improving his deficiencies. He's had a disappointing season but he's not alone there. Does anyone seriously believe any other would club offer anything of value for a player currently not in the bottom side?

Mmm it's become a Houla thread??

Team in the VFL and AFL will be dominated by the VFL rules.
This week is the first week of the VFL finals (NB V SAndringham...again!)
BUT there can only be a max of 12 Carlton listed players and the players must have played at least 7 games for the Bullants games (injury aside) after the first week of the finals so it would make sense that the 12 you are going to go through with will be selected

So Clarke, Russel, Hartlett, etc etc will not come into the Blues team.
Houla doesn't qualify for the NB so I'ld expect he'll come back in.

Reality is I expect selectors to give young kids that do qualify for the NB a go...and that may mean Bentick will be back to the NB.
If I was playing this week I'ld rather play in a VFL final than an AFL dead rubber for the wooden spooners.....

So which 12...

O'hailpin
Clarke
Russel
Hartlett,
Bryan - (will play in AFL?)
Norman,
DeLuca,
Bannister
Blackwell
Bowyer
Davies
Bentick
Morrell
Longmuir
Chambers
Johnson
Wiggins - (will play in AFL?)
Smith (rookie)
Plemming (rookie)
Becker (rookie)

Unknown
Livingston (not sure if he qualifies)


Don't qualify
Houla
Walker

So I think whoever (VFL qualifier) will get a call up in AFL will be a "show us what you've got as we've decided you're gone...." so I don't think there will be HUGE changes

If you're young and omitted this week from AFL (read Bentick) it's because you have a future...and PAgan wants you playing in finals albeit VFL

If you don't qualify for the VFL and get a game in the AFL it's becuase you will be persisted with

If you're not playing at all this week....(barring injury..Sporn)...it's probably curtains!

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Blackwell had a very good game, I'd certainly be keen to see him get a reward for effort.

So you're telling me if hypothetically the Eagles were towards the bottom of the ladder and lets say Judd was on offer you wouldn't give up a high draft pick for him?

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You can just smell that fresh Carlton arrogance coming back into the air

Read what I said: Does anyone seriously believe any other would club offer anything of value for a player currently not in the bottom side? Pagan wouldn't be leaving him in the 2's to lose trade value if he wanted to trade him.

pick them based on bullants and try win a flag there

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It's either a "Houla is a bad player and should be traded" thread or "let's tank" thread. I'm sick of both of those.

Plus as you said he can't play VFL this week coz he doesn't qualify.

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