I'll vouch that TheSheik has never condoned getting other club discards. He had T-Lo on the chopping block before he got on the plane to come here.

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Yeah sure that would've gone down great there.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

at least we wouldn't get a bucket of smart arse reponses.

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Hells bells, a footy forum that never has never had smart arse responses before, now there's a first.

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Sorry Dannyboy I do actually read your poems and they are pretty good. There is a touch of Robbie Burns in them.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

now Game don't go getting all sentimental on me.

mine was aimed at Shiek as he correctly saw, more to do with his responses to certain other posters. You dig actually cracked me up.(but you never heard that from me)

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Gee Sheik it must be someone else masquerading as you who has filled the CSC for years with this player or that from other Clubs based on heresay.I,d forgotten what a recruiting Guru you are.As i've said before if you throw up enough names you will get one right sooner or later.

The difference between you and i is that i don't delight in the position of the Club.You have adopted the role of a knocker for years.You who introduced the distasteful "give them the axe award" that even your apologists were embarrassed about.If you are going to be an expert on all things Carlton at least watch the ocassional game before putting the boot in!

By the way you have never indicated just how you would replace the 10-15 players that you have advocated the removal of each year?

7dominator I've never heard him say lets get Bannister or Bowyer. He like everyone would have discussed good players from other clubs but I know he has always said he is not interested in their rejects.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Oh I see ... (he says with his best Basil Fawlty voice), I enjoy seeing the club that I have followed for 40 years wallowing down the bottom of the ladder ?? Rrrrrrightio then ...................

And 'The Axe' award ?? Right, bagging players in a wooden spoon winning year is only restricted to CSC is it ?? That would never have happened on here or TBV would it ?? I guess that I only ever read the term 'hack' or 'dud' on other forums ?? Mate, you've lost it !!!!!!

Replacing players ?

Hey, here's a novel thought, try using the draft, you know, that thing they have every year, actually they have three of them. Might even be damn useful to keep the picks we are given instead of trading them away for shyte.

And here's something I'll throw in for nothing, maybe, just maybe, we could get really good at our negotiating skills and do some very shrewd trade deals that actually net us some quality players instead of rejects who are either not up to it or better still, well past their prime.

You seem to think that you can't have a massive cull on the playing list and replace them all in the one season. Why not ?? Who says that it can't be done ?? Just because no-one else has tried it doesn't mean that you cannot achieve the feat.

If you have an extremely extensive recruiting network across the country, anything is possible. Just think about Karl Norman, there must be another 20 guys just like him running around in some backyard bush league. but have we got the network & system in place to indentify them ?? I'm not a huge fan of Norman's but the fact that he was snaffled out of the blue and has shown that he can play at that level would suggest that some more exacting science in the recruiting area might just be a good way of pulling in a solid smokey or two every year.

Oh well, stay with that conventional approach Dom, we might just take a little longer to improve by not trying something different.

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But if he has said get other players then he can't complain when we get other players from other clubs. I mean even I am an expert in hindsight! But its doing the deal, and in Pagan's case (though you seem to refute this) it was trying to win a hand (to change the culture - have a read of what manton and beaumont said, have a look at the Nth v Carlton replay) with your cards revealed and no chance to draw from the deck, their cards hidden and they get as many chances to draw as they want - in the circumstances we did do well! In the circumstances.

Shit Pagan did as well as he could under the circumstances - what is so hard to understand about that. it was a bowyer or a bannister because no one would trade us anything else and we had no leverage!

Now it seems Shiek, like tyrant ages ago i might add, seems to be arguing that we should have gone kids. Kids from what pick 75 down - yeah some rippers in that lot for sure.

What carlton has done is grab some middle age bodies and let them bear the brunt of our disaster while the kids get ready. No one is expecting anything much this year or next for that matter except that we are rebuilding a list from scratch.

Its really not hard to understand. Yes it shits all of us that we are crap. Yes it hurts like hell to sit through a game like Essendon*, to see my son not want to come to the football, but he has a choice, two more years of @#$%&! elliot and there would be no choice cos there wouldn't be a @#$%&! club!

Now you can sit on your @#$%&! arse and support that flower all you want but the fact is he cheated, we copped hell and we are paying for it while that [REDACTED] struts around scott free.

Patience. It will take time as every expert in the land pointed out - they can't all be wrong Game, not all of them, not just you and John E the only two who can see the light. There was no light, just shadows, and paper bags and long gone golden eras and empty stands and debt, lots of debt, and contracts, nice long, fat, restrictive contracts that are still hurting us! And you guys want to bitch about a two year deal to Deluca or Scotland!


end of rant.

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I don't even understand why someone is talking about 30+ year old players from the 2002 team in comparison with players in the 2005 team.

Or should Bradley and Fraser Brown still be playing in 2006? Is that the argument? Ratten and Macca too?

here is a hint ....we were in the process of losing Brown, Macca, Bradley , Ratten, Hickmott, SOS, the previous core group of quality players, and had no replacements of that quality in our wonderful junior list of the time, and 1 draft pick bette than 3rd round in the 2002 and 2003 drafts.

We had real trade currency, and were unable to trade into rds 1 or 2 in those drafts either.

So where did you expect the miracles to come from in the need to completely rebuild a neglected list? We were lucky to have had so many high quality core players together for so long to compensate for the bottom end of our list. As those quality players left, we had none ready to replace them ... except Glen Manton.