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 Post subject: Re: Year 2005: Positives
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:23 am 
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Deano Supremo wrote:
Pretty hard to do this after a spoon year, but here goes.

:arrow: Two top ten draft picks. Small consolation for a spoon season in my eyes, but all bodes well for the future. Stay home, Marc Murphy!


I've been looking for News on Marc Murphy ever since the club rang me last week about the next $300 raffle... The person who rang told me that Murphy had already decided to stay in Melbourne, and as long as we got the priority, he was coming our way...
I wondered at the time if he'd made a definite committment one way or another, so now I'm thinking not...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:56 am 
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The season is over......thank the various deities.

Positives for all the reasons given above

Waite
Cazzaro
Bryan
Bentick
Simpson
Fisher




Whits, a good year particularly when left across half back

Campo, a good year, has redefined how to play HBF, will be particularly good for us next year in this role (yes at a lower contract!!!)

Others who showed a bit

Barnaby, when not injured rucked well, giving our boys some good first use of the ball.

Thornton, although down a little IMO, is a player who never gives up and takes each goal and mark against him personally. Just needs to anticipate the incoming flight of the ball better and react that split second quicker.

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 Post subject: Re: Year 2005: Positives
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:01 pm 
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7dominator wrote:
Your recruitment suggestions will be eagerly awaited, particular your explanation of how the sacking of half our list will be replaced, particularly given that you only advocate the first 3 rounds.."no dregs from other Clubs"

Heres a challenge for you Sheik.....give me the numbers that you are sacking or trading.....and balance them out with inflow???


I have suggested that the club will purge about 14 players in this upcoming trade & draft period.

Check this thread for confirmation of this :

http://www.csc.actebs.com.au/modules.ph ... pic&t=3017

Interesting to note this comment from Caroline Wilson's article today in The Age :

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While Carlton is looking to cull at least 10 players from its list,


Did you see that bit "AT LEAST" ?? This means that she has reason to believe that there will be a minimum double-digit changeover of players.

Now, doing the sums isn't to hard actually, try this scenario :

Elevate from the rookie list : O'hAilpin, Becker & Smith
From the National Draft : 5 players
From the Pre-Season Draft : 1 player
From trade week : 2 players

This is a fairly conservative estimate and I got to 11, shouldn't be too hard to get to 14 with some creative thinking.

Anything else you want to me teach you now ??

Are you right with your shoelaces ?? :-D

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:30 am 
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Good leadership by Kouta and Whitnall again... two of our top three players. Nice change in role with Campo across half back... again one of our top five players.

We will be a good team again when our second tier players take over the mantle from our great leaders.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:19 am 
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Harry Vallence

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Good old Sheik,the opiniated recruiting specialist who lacks one ingredient,creditability!

A tip.....watch a few games!

Back to your post...

"Elevate from the rookie list : O'hAilpin, Becker & Smith
From the National Draft : 5 players
From the Pre-Season Draft : 1 player
From trade week : 2 players"

Its not your 14,tell us your creative recruiting that gets us another 3?

Interesting that the article you quote differs....

"2005
Delist
Glen Bowyer
Callum Chambers
David Clarke
Brett Johnson
Troy Longmuir
Corey McGrath
Digby Morrell

Trade
Scott Camporeale
Ryan Houlihan
Matty Lappin
Trent Sporn
Simon Wiggins
Justin Davies

RETIRE
Anthony Koutoufides

PICK-UP
Priority Pick
No. 1 National Draft Pick
No. 17 National Draft Pick
No. 33. National Draft Pick
No. 1 Pre-Season Draft Pick
One decent player via trade week "

15 players,delisted,retired or traded to be replaced by5 players(excluding the trade)

Now this is where it gets hard, you indicate regularly that you don't want the discards and nothing outside the first 3 rounds?

According to you, i have trouble with my shoe laces,i am smart enough however, to realise that we have little trading currency certainly not enough to get me sub first 3 round picks to fill the void.

See,this is where we differ Sheik,i have trouble with the sweeping statements of mass sackings when questionable and contradictory arguements for replacements are put up.

By the way i found this little example of your recruiting suggestions...

"If Knobel is not available, then we should pick-up whoever is deemed the best prospect out of these young'uns :

Heath Grundy, Beau Wilkes, Nick Becker, Chris Gooley, Paul Richardson, Justin Sherman, Ryan Bain, Ed Clarke, Ruory Kirkby, Alan Toovey, Ben Sharpe, Eddie Betts, Sam Gooley, Danyle Pearce, Will Hamill, Mark Rovere, Dale May, Shannon Cox, Adam Prior, Earl Shaw, Ryan Herring, Ryan Nye, Sam Dwyer, Xavier Leslie, Ryan Jackson, Jesse D Smith, Tom Redden, Seamus Young, Travis Baird, Tim Sherringham, Luke Herrington, Patrick Rose, Troy Bartlett, Wade Twomey, Montgomery, Rowan Nanya, Guy Martin, Taylor Collins, Ben Davies, Renick Watts, Nathan Anderson, Sam Gibson, Ben Jolley, Evan Johnson, Andrew Gilham, Greg Bentley, Shane Neaves, Clinton Young, Sam Barnes, Michael West, James Angus, Tim Hill, Will Thursfield, Jackson Barling, Jordan Wood, Kristopher Pendlebury"

FIFTY SIX names!!!

As i have said before Sheik,throw up enough names and you will get one right sooner or later!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:20 am 
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7dominator wrote:
By the way i found this little example of your recruiting suggestions...


You were on CSC for ages searching, and searching, and searching for something weren't you. :roll: We might have to call you 'The Trawler' from now on.

The problem here is that you have no vision, no forethought - nothing at all. You just prefer to sit back and take potshots at anything and everything that gets posted, once again - pathetic !!

You asked a simple question, I answered it, I have just shown you how we can turn over a significant amount of players yet it is still not good enough for you. How is that so hard to comprehend ??

I fail to understand how replacing 14 players is so difficult, I've shown you the numbers on how it can be done. All it needs from there is some faith in Wayne Hughes to pick the right guys out of the draft and the club officials to come up with some crafty trade deals.

I just cannot see what the problem here is ?? What makes it worse is that you cannot (or possibly do not want to) grasp the concept.

And whilst I'm at it, don't let the facts get in the way of your version of events :

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Now in this model, I have not accounted for any draft picks outside of the first three rounds as they are always speculative plus we don't know what will happen at the trade table. We may snaffle a couple of decent players but I'd prefer for us to take draft picks and punt on untried youth rather than keep recycling other clubs discards.


Convenient how you quoted the first part of that three-year plan but forgot to add that paragraph ?? Deadset clown !!!!

When it suits ..............

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:27 am 
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TheSheik wrote:
7dominator wrote:
By the way i found this little example of your recruiting suggestions...


You were on CSC for ages searching, and searching, and searching for something weren't you. :roll: We might have to call you 'The Trawler' from now on.

The problem here is that you have no vision, no forethought - nothing at all. You just prefer to sit back and take potshots at anything and everything that gets posted, once again - pathetic !!

You asked a simple question, I answered it, I have just shown you how we can turn over a significant amount of players yet it is still not good enough for you. How is that so hard to comprehend ??

I fail to understand how replacing 14 players is so difficult, I've shown you the numbers on how it can be done. All it needs from there is some faith in Wayne Hughes to pick the right guys out of the draft and the club officials to come up with some crafty trade deals.

I just cannot see what the problem here is ?? What makes it worse is that you cannot (or possibly do not want to) grasp the concept.

And whilst I'm at it, don't let the facts get in the way of your version of events :

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Now in this model, I have not accounted for any draft picks outside of the first three rounds as they are always speculative plus we don't know what will happen at the trade table. We may snaffle a couple of decent players but I'd prefer for us to take draft picks and punt on untried youth rather than keep recycling other clubs discards.


Convenient how you quoted the first part of that three-year plan but forgot to add that paragraph ?? Deadset clown !!!!

When it suits ..............


Good work Sheik,i await the end of season draft threads and your well researched posts!

Perhaps you can come up with more than 60 choices this time( e.g theKnobel substitute).

I am damned if i know how a Sydneysider was able to see so many of the young players that you nominated.Step aside Mr Hughes!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:43 am 
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BlueMark wrote:
Campo, a good year, has redefined how to play HBF...


POW - haven't laughed so much in ages Mark... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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If I thought this was gunna turn into a dick size comparison I'd have thought twice about starting the thread.

Can't you two piss off elsewhere and have your little stoush and leave one thread on this bloody forum untainted by constant bickering?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:56 am 
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Deano Supremo wrote:
Can't you two piss off elsewhere and have your little stoush and leave one thread on this bloody forum untainted by constant bickering?


Sorry Deano, it was not my idea to fire the first shot ........

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:02 am 
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blu944 wrote:
won a premiership

beat Essendon*

beat collingwood

beat richmond

held the reigning premiers to a draw on their turf

uncovered some young talent

secured two top five picks

2006 will possibly see the debut of Mr. 1, Mr. 4, Mr. 21, Raso, Hartlett, Blackwell, and Russell and Carlos to add to their existing 5mins of AFL experience.


What he said :-D


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:15 am 
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7dominator wrote:
By the way i found this little example of your recruiting suggestions...

"If Knobel is not available, then we should pick-up whoever is deemed the best prospect out of these young'uns :

Heath Grundy, Beau Wilkes, Nick Becker, Chris Gooley, Paul Richardson, Justin Sherman, Ryan Bain, Ed Clarke, Ruory Kirkby, Alan Toovey, Ben Sharpe, Eddie Betts, Sam Gooley, Danyle Pearce, Will Hamill, Mark Rovere, Dale May, Shannon Cox, Adam Prior, Earl Shaw, Ryan Herring, Ryan Nye, Sam Dwyer, Xavier Leslie, Ryan Jackson, Jesse D Smith, Tom Redden, Seamus Young, Travis Baird, Tim Sherringham, Luke Herrington, Patrick Rose, Troy Bartlett, Wade Twomey, Montgomery, Rowan Nanya, Guy Martin, Taylor Collins, Ben Davies, Renick Watts, Nathan Anderson, Sam Gibson, Ben Jolley, Evan Johnson, Andrew Gilham, Greg Bentley, Shane Neaves, Clinton Young, Sam Barnes, Michael West, James Angus, Tim Hill, Will Thursfield, Jackson Barling, Jordan Wood, Kristopher Pendlebury"

FIFTY SIX names!!!

As i have said before Sheik,throw up enough names and you will get one right sooner or later!


One last post on this thread before desisting from anything further.

As usual 7Dom, you left out one piece of crucial information. That post was in reference to which players might be available for drafting in the Pre-Season & Rookie drafts.

Read the whole thread and it all makes sense, pluck out one post from 5 pages worth and of course it looks odd.

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