The hypocritical attitude by many here is a disgrace. On one hand, you condone the tanking theory for the long-term good of the club and then on the other hand, you bag the shit out of long-term servants of the club such as Matty Lappin for having a disappointing season. FFS, spare me your moral high-ground by denigrating Lappin for walking off the field looking like he didn't give a damn.

I do not think he should be given a 3 year contract, I'm disappointed in his 2005 season, but I don't think he deserves the abuse many of you so-called supporters are heaping on him.

Lappin is a paid employee of the club were not.
If Lappin doesnt care enough about staying at the club he can persuit his three year contract with a club that will give it to him.

As for us wanting the players to tank???
Players dont tank...!!!

Wejust want the match committee to tweak the side around and play some of them out of their comfort zones.
We want to see where they can and cannot play...

Noone EVER asked a player to tank...

PS Noone wants Lappin for that kind of contract,,,

Campo is even more unwanted.

Lance is wanted and its time to go....

This talk about Fevolas body language is ridiculous.. he still kicked a half a ton.

And if werre going to trade Fev we do it next year!!!




I love all this wheeling .. dealing.

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You're right synbad if he wants to go, good luck to him but this crap about him not trying is rubbish.

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The Game and Blues 2005, I agree with what you are getting across. We are a little over the top in terms of criticism.....particularly as most wanted us to lose.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.....

every bit of sentiment over the last 6 weeks in all forms of communication (here, the press) has been about an incentive for losing, player contracts, players not worthy of being AFL footballers and our perilous financial state......

all this and we grumble that a bloke not bigger than a wet towel, who has been our most consistent and valuable performer over the last 3-4 years has dropped his head.

I'd love to see most of the experts in the same position.

If it is the end of Matty Lappin, then thanks for the great contribution Mr Lappin and good luck with the future. And if you stay...all the better.

Perhaps you should have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping statements.
Who is heaping abuse on Lappin?
And what is the relevance of tanking to alleged abuse?

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It seems the players can't win. Play badly and they'll get shipped off, play well and we accuse them of playing for their next contract. Interesting dilemma isn't it?

I will say this, however, Lappin has been very disappointing this year, we all know he can play better than that - it was only last year he was All-Australian. Why? Is it the contract? Is it personal problems that we may not know about?

Something has gone wrong and to suggest that his body language this year hasn't been good is to really close your eyes.

Early in the year we had players like Camporeale "look" as though they didn't give a damn. And quite frankly, some of them played like it too. It's how they look - do you think that if their body language is like that their teammates don't feed off that as well?

Even on Saturday night as Brisbane were being smashed - Voss never dropped his head - he never looked as though he didn't care.

If you're a leader of a club, then you've got to keep your chin up just to keep the youngsters afloat if nothing else. I get the feeling it's almost as if the youngsters are keeping the senior people afloat.

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Lappin is a good player and his evasive skills in traffic are very good and he is a class above Davies as a footballer...Davies may have got 17 possies but he gave most of them away with woeful kicking errors.
Saying all that though Lappin has not had a great year by his lofty standards and a 2 year deal is a fair offer..I hope he stays but not for a 3 year contract..at his age and with his output this season he cant justify it especially with the club going through a rebuilding phase and looking to play younger players...when will some of these senior players get the message that the gravy train ride is over and that past glories dont entitle them to large contract renewals.

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The best post i've read in ages!!!

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Found this on CSC...



Interesting if true.

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Lappin and Lance can go to Brisbane and we will take Michael and Pick 9

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Voss or Mal????

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George and/or Jackson.

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Blue Vain wrote:

If the shoe fits!!!
and:

Not sure if you're taking the piss BV or you really don't get my post?
Many of us here are not displeased that our team has underperformed this year, as it will allow us to pick up some badly needed young talent. And yet many here criticise those players in our team expected to perform better.
I have acknowledged that Lappin does not deserve a 3yr contract - however I do not believe he deserves the rubbish that has been posted against him here. He has had one disappointing year since crossing from St Kilda, - criticise his manager for demanding the 3 yr contract, but spare me the
IMO, it's sad to see the lack of respect shown to Lappin in what has been a very trying year for the entire club.
One final analogy to determine if you get my point -
If Lappin put in a blinder on Sunday against the Roos, kicked the winning goal & was named BOG - would you be happy with his performance or would you be sad that his performance brought about us losing Marc Murphy? The boy cannot win whilst playing within a climate that rewards mediocrity. I don't care what anyone says - in a game where the difference between success & failure is miniscule & where that miniscule difference often lies between the ears of the players involved, how can we expect players sitting on 4 1/2 wins to run as hard & be as swiched on as a player fighting for a finals spot?

Just as I thought.
The scattergun approach used by the ill informed.
If you are going to accuse me of "heaping abuse" on players, come up with some actual facts instead of sniping with zero substance.

I said Lappin has taken more short steps than anyone this year.
If you havent seen him pulling out of contests this year, you arent watching.
They are the facts. If they are damning for the player, that is his doing, not mine.
That is not heaping abuse, it is an honest assessment.
Give me an instance of me abusing ANY player.

Assessments should be made on all the players by the club and supporters.
We have just won the wooden spoon with the least injuries in the AFL!
The players should all come under scrutiny.
Just because players have been at the club for several years doesnt make them immune.

Finally, dont link my views to tanking, Marc Murphy or anyone else.
Unless you can come up with some evidence of me approving tanking, abusing players or linking any of these points, dont throw mud.

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Blue Vain wrote:

In my original post, I did not "accuse" you Blue Vain of anything. There are plenty here though that have disrespected Lappin's wonderful contribution to our club via some very personal attacks. I did not feel the need to name names, it wasn't a decision based on my supposed lack of courage as you put it, rather my observation that those critics know who they are.
You decided to feel the urge to respond, hence my "if the shoe fits" call. I refuse to get personal with you Blue Vain, only you know why u felt the need to respond so strongly.

Just seems to me we carry players that have been around abit like Linus carries his blanket.
We associate them with better times so we protect them from criticism.
They dont need protection from criticism they need a kick up the arse.

If that doesnt work turf them out!!!...

Its not like were going to go further down the ladder without them...

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I am convinced that Carlton will never move forward until we get rid of Whitnall, Campo, Lappin and Koutoufides. They historically have performed better around contract time, and then slack off. I think they are sulky and unprofessional and just don't care. as much as I despise Nathan Buckley he always gives 100% in every game and gets really pissed off with himself when he doesn't. They are not the sort of athletes and professional athletes that STRIVE to better themselves, but rather content and happy if they have played well. I want a player to have the attitutude of " This week I got 25 possessions, next week I want 30" for example. Harsh as it may guys, realistically these players are tarnishing the younger players and showing them the example of just doing your little bit and getting through. You may all say that "geez, whitnall and Campo, Kouta have played well the last few months" but where the hell have they been at the start of the year. You cant tune in and tune out when you want. You cannot visit the fat farm at the end of the year to get your body right, why not look after yourself throughout the year instead. Could not be bothered, not disciplined thats why.

I have always refrained from denigrating players Luca.
I've been tempted often but I dont bag them.
When you make posts like the following after I post, how am I to know who you are referring to?



Thats why I'd prefer you to name names.
If you dont, it is throwing a net over everyone with a differing view to yours.

I apologise if my post was offensive.

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Yeah, spot on there.