Mandy...maybe you would feel it a little differently if the Collingwood Football Club Inc had been deprived of their low draft picks for a couple of years.

I know that one of my influences today was not letting Collingwood Football Club Inc get the 1st pick over us...

You weren't "deprived" of anything. You were "penalised".

Harsh maybe, but your own fault nonetheless.

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And what is Collingwoods excuse?

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L.M 35-06

The Father-Son Rule...Bwaaaaahahahahahaahahaha!

look - the fact that collingwood has a PP is why the system doesnt work.

i dont begrude the filth for getting the pick, but the fact they have one is completly why the system is wrong.

within a four year cycle they have played in two GF's and finishes close to the bottom once, which in part is due to a series of injuries, but more so the "earlier than normal" **cough** tanking **cough** player operations at the end of the year.

i actually think that is the best thing to do and think we should have done it as well i.e. Fevola.

Its not about tanking - its about getting your players right so that when the pre-season comes around they are fully fit and fully recovered from any operations they have had in the off-season and can do a complete pre-season unhindered.

but the fact of the matter is - that the filth have a PP is a joke. Its as simple as this - would the filth have won only five games if they had a full list to choose from?

IMO - No

Where as Carlton has had a pretty good run with injuries ( we have had a few, but for the large part of it we had about 90% of our list to choose from and still managed to only win 4.5 games.

The system needs to be this.

To qualify for a PP - less than 15 games over a three year span.

The draft needs to be this

9-16 go into a draw to see what pick order they will be. (Draw 1)
1-8 go into a draw to see whay pick order they will be. (Draw 2)

In the advent of a priority draft pick then that club gets the first pick, but then reverts back to the "Draw" and whatever number they get for their order.

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Many of us have stated that Collingwood's list was overrated and they overachieved making 2 Grand Finals when they had a good run with injuries.

We've earned our pick, they're earned their's.

Many people on this site advocated we should do everything we can to get the PP and now we bag Collingwood for doing the same.

Under a 15 win's over 3 seasons we wouldn't qualify for a PP this year either.

Maybe it needs to be looked at over 5 years, taking out your best and worst season in that time and taking the average of the other 3 to account for luck, tanking etc.

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IMO the PP should be taken in the PSD. This way you pick up experienced players who, most likely aren't superstars, but will help the youger players on the list. You get players who have an immediate impact for the team and it gives a good bargaining position at trade time.

The system currently means you are crap even when the 4 previous top draft picks have yet to make a serious impact on the comp so then you get say, a pick 6 as well for finishing 13th and you rocket to the top which makes the comp completely lop-sided.

I say take it away before the Scum can take advantage of the PPs .

Hear hear.

Great post Brad.

The problem as I see it with the PP is that no-one is willing to let go of this white elephant 'cos St Kilda profited from it, now everyone else wants 'their turn'.

F*ck that I reckon, scrap it altogether. No PP whatsoever, not even over a three year spread. Send it to the same place we sent the ten year rule.

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Well put Mrs C

I couldn't agree more with both of you.

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I can see were Eddie McGuire is coming from:

When Collingwood last qualified for the PP they picked up Josh Fraser who they destroyed by playing in the ruck in his first year of football (if he was a horse he would have been put down). Then they decided to pick Danny Roach and pass on Matthew Pavlich.

Collingwood deserves another crack at it.

We never intended to play Josh that first year, but he was a determined little bugger. He begged for games, but being so thin and green, Mick said no. Josh continued to the point where Mick said "Go and put on 7 kilo's and we'll see."

So Josh worked his arse off in the gym and bulked up enough. Having shown such commitment and hard work, what could Mick do?

I'm proud of both of them.

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they picked the 3 Stooges.

I still think that most Collingwood fans are spewing that they don't have PICK NUMERO UNO!......In both drafts Oh including the Rookie draft

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Shawly you forgot the other stooges headplant

What! Are you gonna believe what the umpires and AFL say? Bullshit! I Totally believe what Tony Jones said about the "whispers in the sky".

As if the AFL aren't going to try to protect the umpires reputations.

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Eddie is feeling the strain and even you Mandy can see it:

- He heard the whispers in the plane and then within 24 hours was not so Shaw he'd heard them
- The Pies haven't benefitted from draft concessions, yet fails to remember 1999 and the "process" (the sacrificial lamb coach T Shaw playing the kids as he knew Micky Malthouse was taking over the following year and needed a heads up with a few early picks)
- $$ galore at Collingwood FC Inc but nothing to Shaw for it.

At least he won a pissy night GF in the past 4 years - the worst years of our history...........what has Collingwood achieved?

When McSook took over in the late 90s - he took his management team (Brad Cooper ) through the place and went through it "line by line", things which were done a certain way just because "thats how we have always done things here at Collingwood" were changed.

We find McSook going through the same process 6 or so years later presumably because the procedures he put in place back then are no bloody good.

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