Hmm, very interesting.

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Maybe Kouta has taken a further pay cut, and this is his reward for it??? or maybe cause it may be his last year, they'd let him have it once more??

If this is the case, Stevens will be promoted to Vice Captain.

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Good decision.
Would have been disappointed if Stevens got the captaincy after putting in an average season/effort.
Let Kouta lead next year and Waite/Stevens or whoever can show us why they deserve the captaincy

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Did anyone else read that as:

Hearld Sun: Lance to be traded, so Kouta to keep captaincy by default. (probably, cause I'm just guessing)

didn't caro write Nick Shhhhtevenshhh would be captain?

A good decision too. Kouta rightfully should be the captain until he retires. The other guys can tell us why they should be next.

I don't think there are any obvious candidates, and the next captain really should represent generational change at the club. Would love it if one of the younger guys really stood up in '06 and demanded the captaincy through his deeds on and off the field.

But until that happens, it seems reasonable to keep Kouta as captain for his last season. It's a bit unfortunate, as it appears he's got the job by default, but... you can't just manufacture leaders.

certainly Stevo thought he had the captaincy.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Stevo has been going well since he's been at the club. He's leadership skills develop all the time. If he continues his development in this area then he will demand the position at the end of next year.

I have no problem with that. I think that our captaincy suffered in the Ratten/McKay era. Outstanding players they were, but I am not sure if they were right for the position of captain.

But that probably deserves another thread somewhere...

We have just ratified 'more of the same'
Fancy having a guy who doesnt hang out with the players as captain...
Someone who has the worst record of any Carlton captain in the history of the club as captain.

In the meantime we will have a younger team again... probably with an average age of TEN years younger than Kouta.
The other thing is we have a bloke who we brought to the club.. were paying him 500k a year to just fall back to the pack.. a pack whos standards has been set by our current captain.

If i were Pagan and Collo id sit Stevens in the office and ask him what he wants to achive at Cartlon with the 500k hegets paid per annum.
I reckon Stevens DID show leadership last year and its slowly been evaporating because of the low standards set by the current leadership hierarchy...

So we have Kouta captain another year... and next year there will be no stand out for captain again.. as we slowly strip any leaderhip Stevens might have away..... waiting for Kouta to retire as the captain that oversaw the worst ever Carlton era in history.

Excellent thinking and just more lack of foresight on display by the club that continues to be overly conservative in its rebuilding for the future.

Lets not do anything different.. all is going along too smoothly to rock the boat and try something different.

Kouta is our inspiration for our future....

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Another positive post from Synbad.

We all know how much our club sucks. Most of us try to look at the brighter side as much as we can.

The problem is your right about Kouta and he doesnt do much as a captain. He is Captain by defult in my opinion.

Whitnall cant be captain because he will probably will be traded.

Campo cant be captain becasue... I dont need to tell you why

Stevo should be cap but he has only been at the club for 2yrs and maybe a third is needed.

Thye young leaders at the club (thornton and Waite and maybe Carrots) are too young to be considered leaders. I consider these 3 and Marc Murhpy to be our future leaders. Hurn if we get him is supposed to be a leader as well.

That is one of the many probs with our club at the moment. No leaders.

Waite will kick 50+ goals next year and make the decision easy for 2007.

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I dont want to pretend that Kouta is a great captain.. cos i hate pretending...

BUT.. we have a bloke who is 25 thats come from a succesful club .. who is on 500k a year.. and he gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator .. the bar set low by our current leadership group ..

Where captains at other clubs pull people up to their level our leaders allow the other players and themselves to fall to the lowest common denominator at the club.. no standards....

Noone to pull Fev into line....
Noone to crash bang when its needed...
Noone to give a player like Karl a shake...

and we want more of the same...

Welcome to another season of Koutas Carlton.. where nothing happens and noone owns a compass.

More of the same... keep it safe... more of the same...

Stevo can earn his 500k playing under more of the same and not been given the opportunity to responsibility...

Easiest 500k in AFL football... just after the easiest 1 million in AFL football.. the easiest 675k in AFL football... the easiest 550k in AFL football.. earnt by the other three leaders of the club...

No wonder Shannon Grant has his sights set on Carlton and 600k....

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I thought you supported Kouta Synbad...

I've always thought this year that he was very disappointing and he should retire...

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I want change.....

I want a brand new Carlton...

i dont want the Carlton with Lance and Campo led by the weak Kouta.. a guy that wouldnt go near Jonathon Brown in the Brissy game...

The longer these blokes are 'running' the team the longer it will take for the kids to scrub off the going nowhere tag.....

Lance cant be captain because he has spent a long time of his career not working hard enough to be fit....

Campo cant be captain because he is a jib and cheat and wouldnt know how to lead the chicken dance at an Italian wedding...

Kouta isnt a captain... he likes to run home and do the weeds in his garden instead of hang around with the kids and help conjure up a bond ...

We need someone closer to the average age group.. and someone who can instill a bond and professionalism in training and on the field.

We cant afford half heartedness from players who dont have anything more to prove and give and are there only for the money.

Stevens left a byear early from Port.. missing out on a premiership.. and he SHOULD have a burning desire to be part of a premiership side...

So a guy like Stevens should be hell bent in trying to turn the team around.

Kouta doesnt even believe he will ever be part of anything great at Carlton...

I hate that were so afraid to make changes that nothing will change...

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Is appointing the captain Denis' job?

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In my opinion the club is more worried about not losing 14 games straight and prefers the club to win one lose one.. win 2 lose three..win one... lose two... cos its less painful to be North Melbourne(never to win a premiership ever again)... than the indignity of being a StKilda/ Carlton for a couple more years...

Id rather win a couple of wooden spoons and give ourselves EVERY OPPORTUNITYto have a window of opportunity over 5 years in 3 years time.. than be a North .. where we might or might not make the finals... but NEVER EVER EVER be a threat..
Its the safe road.. but it goes nowhere....

In my opinion thats where were heading over the next ten years...
What we do today has a huge bearing on the next ten years...

This Kouta captaincy with Lance and Campo is the safe road to nowhere special...

Take a @#$%&! chance!!!!!!!!!!!

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The board's isn't it?

That's worrying then BW...

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