It would be board and footy dept...

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Of course, it could well be said that if Kouta's a weak leader and doesn't have what it takes, then re-appointing him is the best thing we could do if we're looking for another crap season.

It's hard. Who's our next real leader? Is is Stevens...? Or is he just the best we could do? Oh, for a Voss or Ricciuto.

Kouta, by all accounts, is a decent, lovely bloke. But it's clear that he'd only get the captaincy because of a perceived leadership vacuum.

Synbad, I agree that I'd LOVE to see the next generation take over the playing group. But I can't see who that'd be. Is it really Stevens?

Perhaps Grant Thomas' rotating captaincy mightn't be such a bad thing for us. But instead, we appoint a leadership group of six 'next generation' players (Waite, Thornton, Stevens, etc) and rotate the captaincy on a monthly basis...

...anything to get our younger guys to learn to take personal responsibility for the present and the future of our club.

Put the onus on the guys who represent our future, rather than those who represent our past.

Why shouldn't Waite, Thornton et al run out as captain? It's not like there's anyone else in the team who they'd feel uncomfortable about usurping. We're in a great position to try something different.

But if we're just going to appoint a traditional captain, then shit - it may as well be Kouta for his final year. Would Stevens on his own make any real difference?

If I were Kouta and was captain, the first thing I'd do is get the young guys to form their own leadership groups, and invite as much input from them as possible... give them the biggest stake in the club. Because it's Kouta's last year, and he's gotta be looking more at how he leaves the club, than simply how he performs himself.

I have a lot more questions than answers, and I really hope the people who are a lot closer to the action than I am make the right decisions.

I agree with alot of what you say John... im disappointed if Kouta remains captain.
It means the club has no answers.. and 4 years after Elliot is gone .. we are still the most unimaginative club going around...

It portrays to me that the club doesnt know what to do.

Stevens showed leadership last year but has fallen to the pack...

For 500k .. id want him to be showing more than he is .. and for 2 million dollars over 4 years im disappointed that he can be allowed to stay in the shadows of the has beens instead of seeing what we can extract for our investment.

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If you'd rather win a couple of wooden spoons, then why do you want an inspiring captain?

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Yeah it's terrible for a captain to not hang out with his players...just ask Michael Tuck, Bomber Thompson and John Worsfold (all premiership captains) not to mention Steve Waugh and Alan Border, arguably the two greatest ever captains of the Australian team.

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Number 17 - come on down!

Both well made points there Teddy.

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I wish we had a Riccuito type at Carlton.
Kouta doesn't strike me as the type of bloke who'd take it upon himself to rally a team at 1/2 time. The Roo does.

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Didnt have teams like the ones we have though did they???
some of you people really cant see whats going on.
Youre comparing people that had a great team with them with captains that have a team of inexperienced kids.

Cant you see where were at???
Comparing us with Hawthorn and the Australian cricket team teddy just showsyou up as a clown..

And Jarusa should give us some stats about how Hawthorn was travelling under Tusk
How the Australian cricket team was travelling under Border and Waugh...

and the Carlton football club has been travelling under Kouta.. complete with ages and experience..

Then id thinkJarusas stats might actually mean something...

But of course Jarusas mind cannt break things down if there are no stats so he WOULD think those two points were great....

Its laughable that the pair of you can compare our teams structure right now with one of the best football teams of all times.. (Won their fill of premierships and laid down the blue print for alot more)
And the most dominant cricket team of all time talent wise....

Nice one... !!!




*sidenote.. Yabby Jeans always said "The draft was brought in to kill Hawthorn"....

Pagan says "Were a young side blah blah.. youll never know how much the draft penalties killed us blah blah"

How do you draw a line and compare the two teams boys?????

Oh i know....????... you just have no clue what youre talking about Teddi.. and Jarusa helps you to come to that conclusion...


According to YOU TWO....
Current Carlton side = the Australian cricket team from the last 15 years.and the great Hawthorn sides of the 70s and 80s....

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Several non-points badly made there Synbad.

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The real point i wanted to make Jarusa is you have NO CLUE!!!

I think that point was made strongly and concisely and not badly at all....

Stick to plagarising other peoples work and using it as your own...its what you do best....

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Be nice boys.

For what its worth, Synbad has a point.

Tuck, Thompson and Worsfold all lead strong teams.

Waugh did too.

Border was one who had a crappier side to begin with. But he was captain during the best part of his career.

Kouta is a shocker of a team in the twilight of his career. He really does not have much to offer.

I agree with the sainters rotational system. It means that even after they have had the captaincy role, they feel the need to be a role model and a leader.

Time for this club to be progressive. We are such a stale old club. This is what undue reliance on pride can do to you.

Bite the bullet CFC, and re-invent yourself.

ill be nice...

sorry tommi.. i didnt mean you...

Werethe most unimaginative club going around if this article is on the meoney.. because Koutas captaincy is NOT rated by ANYONE around the club but theyre too shit scared to do anything different...

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I have my suspicions that this article is not on the mark (maybe its wishful thinking) but if Kouta is going to be captain next year, then why not announce it now. Why wait.

Did we ever have to wait each year when Kerna was made captain?

I heard from within the club marketing dept that Kouta will be our captain because all the prints have been done for next year and the club can't afford to replace those with Stevens.
I hope that ain't true

Now maybe Stevo wouldn;t be a good captain - good lets find out and then make a new decision and if he does make a good captain great reappoint him!

But Kouta has shown nothing this year - oh wait that's not fair two games come to mind where he did show some leadership. 2 games.

I am sick of the tiired eway this club dribbles along. make a @#$%&! new decision, take a @#$%&! risk, do something.

Instead we seem to be sort of treading water hoping this will change.

Now this is where I differ from the tankers. If we think youth and early picks will redeem this club then this club is flower! This club must drag itself out of the mire of the past 10 or so years and really start to change itself. the draft will not do that for it.

I just feel if we reappoint Kouta its saying, we'll just drift for another year or two or three or 10 or 20! God make some bloody changes. Okay Kouta's contracted great play him and pay him but don;t give him the captaincy when he isn't a leader.

Try Stevo.

Shit try bloody Abam Bentick! Try anyone! But try.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Thats funny... he gets the captaincy cos were broke and cant afford to change the 2005... and that is because we give him 1 mill a year..???

Ohhh how many paws have this club by the short and curlys????

Lets support them all...!!!!

Im not saying that this is true... who knows??? It might be!!!....

but botom line is were not travelling to well for the moment...

We just need change.. the old guard really has to go and leave us alone.. so we can continue on with the most important job .... Rebuilding and restructuring...

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I received a call from a guy in marketing about the $300 raffle.
I asked him about the captaincy for next year and he said it would be Kouta because all the print outs had been done and the club couldn't afford to replace those with Stevens. He said that from a financial position that club was in a dire situation

Ok!
Its settled... !!!

Kouta is our captain again....!!!

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I'm curious to know whether any of our leaders were at the Bullants game yesterday.
Every Bulldog leader was there.
Get set for another long season next year

Nope our boys were attending to their lawns....



I know that theyre adults and its not school... and Denis is not a headmaster....
but if our senior players cant make efforts to stay out late at training... and make the Bullants games on a regular basis... Denis should force them,

All our players should be placed on a roster to work in the kitchen up at the social club... making coffee .. or working on the till (Not Laurie or Karl) just to teach them some humility.. some reality and for some of them what kind of work they can expect if they cant make anything of their opportunity in the AFL...just some basic life skills..
I just think this club NEEDS to get back to basics....


The senior players are in a kind of lala land where they think the club owes them..and that leaves the kids lost...

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