If this was such a big story and the behaviour was so bad, why did it take so long for Caro to write it. Sounds like it's being fed to her by someone ... if it's someone on the board they should go.

BTW Lance can follow the informer out the door as well. If we give him $400k we're going backwards!

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I really dont see the big deal with this. This is something done post-season and doesnt affect the way he plays. I personally couldnt care less if he bags an ex-player - i am not really into this blind faith stuff - if some old codger at my work told me what i should be doing and what i should be paid, even tho he hadnt worked there for 30+ years, i would give him a bit of lip as well.

Maybe old-timers on this site get offended by what he is done because they cant associate with the feeling of not being listened to by younger persons. Well personally, i aint gonna listen blindly to old fellas to.

It is not big niks position to tell the players what to do and what they should be paid. He is not in the inner sanctum, and if he wishes to be, he should apply for a job.

The only old codger fev has to listen to is pagan, and if pagan feels fev is not, well then, and only then, should pagan make the decision to trade fev. Before fev's groin injury, he was playing really well, and i refer everybody to watch him agst the bulldogs in the game up in darwin to see what he can provide the team when fit.

Now i know most of u r saying the big nik is a club legend and he should be treated like jesus etc etc, but that is just not reality - and big nic has to expect that if he sticks his nose into other peoples affairs, he may get a few bites back.

And please be aware that by saying the above i am not taking away from nig niks performances for the navy blue - as the above has got nothing to do with his performances.

In the end and in conclusion, it has to be right that if big nik wants to criticise players for their pay and the way they play and have an effect, then apply for and get a job in the inner sanctum at carlton. Otherwise, your comments may cause a response, just like occurs to media commentators.

A similar thought crossed my mind. We get upset with players and managers who use the media as a negotiation tool, I don't see this as being any different. Going by the anti-Fevola uproar it has sparked off in these forums, it's a tactic that proves effective.

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Lets just wait and see. It might not be as easy as that. At the end of the day we don't really know the full story. I seriously cannot imagine Fev saying stuff like that as much as everyone does not think much of him. I would expect him to make some smart aleck comments but maybe its not as bad as Caroline Wilson is making it out to be. How come no-one else that was there that night did not hear anything ?

take what is said in the media and cut it in half, half again and half again

i have lived with its beat up smear, my whole life........get over it.

denis and the guys will do the best they can no doubt, and if anyone has to go who cares, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain

and p.s suggesting Big John isn't part of the inner sanctum, listen to Denis talk about his presence around the club

It was posted earlier in the thread that others did hear Fev make comments.

I think I'm with Boz, this is being blown up out of all proportion, but that won't stop sentimentality for our past legends being brought down like an axe on Fevola's neck. It looks like a clever ploy by the club to leak this story to Wilson if they're doing it to soften the blow if he's traded, I get the impression that with most of the posters here that Fev's gone from naughty but still lovable puppy dog to disrespectful, impetuous brat.

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The only way leaking this sort of stuff makes any sense is if they have a deal in the bag for Fev already. Then they might be putting a spin on it for the supporters and softening the blow as some posters have said already.
Otherwise if they think leaking this sort of stuff and then putting him up for trade is going to help then that is crazy. Some clubs would be worried about touching him now and his value will be dropping.

Perhaps we have a split board and some want Fev kept and others want Lance kept and this is there way of influencing that outcome.

Seems like the public lynching of Fevola has begun.

he tied the noose himself

its not an isolated incidence of stupidity, and I dont think board leek has lead to this, anyone in the vicinity of his table would have been able to feed it back to caro.. who probably took the weekend to verify.

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Reading between the lines of what the club has said and what has not been said, IMO Fevola is gone.

There is absolutely no reason why there could not be a statement from Fevola denying what he said. Wilson is too professional to say anything that would not be true; defamation torts are rife in the media.

That there is a leaky tap is undoubtedly true.

This could be the most interesting trade week of all time for us, even surpassing 2003 when we bagged Stevens in the PSD.

Having Fev and Whits in the market would lower Whits' price substantially and I think you'd find that if clubs were to find out that Fev was on the market they'd grab Fev because he's younger. He may be a head case but he's a more talented headcase and fitter and younger headcase than Whitnall.

What is surprising is Synbad's reaction - he is Fev's biggest defender normally and if he's saying he's gone, then I think it more likely than not that Fev is GAWN.

Waste of talent. Our forward line structure next year will be very interesting. We will be crap next year if Fev leaves simply because we can't take a grab in the forward line. Having said that, if we have Bryan at FP/FF then we might have a legitimate pack marking target at 195cm+ that Fev wasn't.

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This is the impression I get.

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That's what the white folk kept on saying in Alabama.

How likely are Hawthorn or Collingwood to give up one of their top 6 picks? Highly unlikely you would think.

Essendon* have never traded away a top 10 pick, Richmond would be unlikely to trade one away.

Would you give up Fev for a pick which wasn't in the top 8 in a year where pick 9 and pick 20 could get you very similar players?

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You would not. You might do it for 2 picks in there though. You might do it for a player swap and a draft pick. If the dradt is going to be weak after the first few then that would make more sense. Especially to Adelaide they have got a heap of young players we would be interested in.

Best bet would be Geelong - but I'd want Bartel at the very least for Fev. I'd try to get Mackie as well but Mackie is a Fisher type and needs more beef. I'd force the Cats hand with threats to PSD Bartel.

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I would want more than Bartel. Let them throw in Egan or Rooke or some good solid youngish player. Mackie I dont know about. After 3 years on the list he is still so skinny and looks a bit of a squib.

If it wasn't for Fav and Lance Carlton wouldnt be in the papers at all.

Lets trade Fav for Tarrent Im sure Tarrent will go on a drinking spree in the city on his first day at the club.

Clem, Fev doesnt take many contested marks in the forward line. He is leading forward and a very good one but is let down by his overhead marking and contested marks. The fact that he is a great long kick masks this fact. Fish on the other hand takes contested marks, something we need more of.

I think the problem with Fev. revolves around the fact that he does care for the club - but he can't show his concern in a mature manner.


That might have something to do with his childhood ? was he an only child.. maybe he went within his shell when things got difficult when he was a child and he hasn't been able to reprogram himself when adversity strikes.


Part of me wouldn't mind trading him, but part of me thinks he is a gun player who just needs some one on one attention with a shrink.


I must admit i was a bit of a sulker when i was young and things didn't go my way. From sulking one can easily act in ways that aren't socially acceptable - such as his reaction to Nicholls. I hope he can repay the club whatever happens.

Here are the stats from 2003 to 2005 on contested marks

Lance 53 games 55 contested marks
Fisher 38 games 45 contested marks
Waite 50 games 34 contested marks
Fevola 61 games 92 contested marks

Fevola>Fisher>Lance>Waite over the last 3 years on that stat.

Everytime I look at the stats I want to trade Lance.

Here is another one

goalkicing 2005

Lance 24 goals 21 points 53% accuracy.
Fevola 49 goals 25 points 64% accuracy.
Waite 36 goals 21 points 63% accuracy.
Fisher 13 goals 8 points 62% accuracy.

No contested marks from Lance in the last 3 years and poor accuracy.