could you imagine lance at chf for the weagles with lynch at ff? that'd be the most immobile forward line ever created, it'd be worth the cost of entry.

Mikey what defines a contested mark for stats? Running on lead with a bloke going hell for leather trying to spoil behind you? I would imagine these marks are included. These a Fevs bread n butter. How often do you see him take a contested mark in a pack situation? He does well one on one but really seems to struggle in a pack situation. In fairness so does Lance but with Fevs upper body strength I expect better/more of him, especially when you look Fish in these contests.

Bulldogs need a player like Lance - it is their forward line that they fall down on and Grant is often injured. I think it would work out well for both clubs if we do a deal. They can give us one of their quick midfielders in exchange.

On no account is Lance worth any more than 300k a year.

If he is asking for 400k - out the door please.

Fev takes a few with a few players on him. Lance does not at all. I do think Fisher is the one player who will excel in that regard as he gets stronger. Waite has only just started doing it this year as well.
I remember 1 game in particular where Fev took a few contested marks against the Dogs with 3 or 4 blokes trying to spoil him.

If you take a mark clear of an opponent on the lead then it is uncontested. The opponent has to be in the contest on the lead or in a pack situation.

My money is still on Lance to be gone...
Also Lappin gone.....
Campo on a one year contract.. (id turf him out alltogether)

this me me me attitude is what i have been complaining about for two years..... the leadership grpup is all about what the club can do for ME.

Thinking about it further, Fev has had his name bandied around the papers for a couple of weeks and the club has no come out to make any kind of statement... Im sure after the club has tied Fev up on a three year contract he has every right to be miffed and pissed off right now....!!!!

Caroline Wilson is 'our mole'.. im pissed off about that....!!!!

One more year for Fev and if he hasnt cleaned up his act he goes to another club for trade next year.....

We need players that can accept responsibility!!!

Can anyone imaginie Riccuito putting up with all this????

And some of you talk about PRIDE!!!!,..... there is none at the club its every man for himself...

Whats going on is abit like Lord of the Flies...

Or alot like.....

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we do have serious leadership problem i think its time for the senior blokes to go like skinny and Campo but Lance show great on field leader ship and the players love him

Its time for players like Waitey, Fish and T-bird to take the next step they all seem to have good heads on there shoulders especially Fish these need to show the older guys the way.

I wonder if all this is not a smoke screen to get Lance traded for good value. Every story seems to be negative about Fevola and positive about Lance. Fevs contract gets blown up and Lances gets spoken about as 'huge cut'. Lance is Carlton person and Fev is the scum of the earth going on articles being written.
Conveniently forgotten is Fev signed for under what he could have got and Lance still has not and is holding out for something unrealistic.

Trade Lance and keep Fev. Sell high (Lance after a good season and no contract hanging over his head) and buy low (keep Fev).

In my opinion we let Lance Campo and Lappin if he doesnt sign what we have put in front of him this year...
Kouta goes next year...
Fev if he doesnt step up his responsibilities next year.....

Then you look at the playing group and ask... "Anyone else??"

If they keep Lance Campo Lappin after telling the whole world we are making a stand on contracts the board is as weak and without leadership as the players.....

It will also mean we will not turn around the club anytime soon.....


Three to be sacrificed on the alter of 'Tomorrow ' this year another to go next year with Fev being a possibility for next year....

Anything else is weakness....

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When Fev's contract was announced earlier this year I questioned (i) the amount offered and (ii) the length. As far as l was concerned the board had got it completely wrong. Many posters thought otherwise - Fev is high maintenance, the club needs to decide now whether it has the time, resources, etc to committ itself on one individual.

Pagan also has a lot to answer for. In aligning himself to one player and displaying this overflowing affection for Fev was crap. Once again the wrong signals to Fev and other players busting a gut. So the relationship has soured of late...blah the damage was done.

4th pretty sure it was raised on this board somewhere

Fevola is a product of a rabble of a club and the rudderless ship it is....

If he leaves and goes to a club with some semblence of structure he will blitz......

Lance Campo etc are the ones dragging this club down to its current depths.

Fev needs to be given responsibility instead of being like everyone else.. and shirk it!!!!

Carlton is the only club in the league whos best players shirk responsibility...

Sooner the senior players go the better!!!!

Theyre contaminating the club and teaching the kids bad habits.....

If Fev called John Nicholls an "old prick".. its because a Riccuito wasnt there to slap him into place.

No structure.. a rabble!!!

But plenty of players sticking their hands our for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Synbad. Is that what the consensus is within the club, to keep Fev for next year and see if he cleans up his act ?

I think that is fair enough and the smartest decision. There is no need to be silly and get rid of your match winner.

I hope we get rid of Whitnall, Campo and Lappin also while we can.

I reckon the club will give Fev another year to see what he does....

Whitnall should be gone.....
Lappin has a bad taste in his mouth because he signed for a lot less hoping wed make it up for him in this contract... good luck to him if he goes for more money....he deserves a super.

Campo wants 400k a year for multiple years...

Hes a blood sucker!!!

In the end i believe he will stay on around 200k for a year.. (cos noone else wants him)

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Get rid of Fevola.times up Fev I thought you had turned the corner,but you have the maturity level of little johnny on red cordial.If Whitnall,Lappin,Campo ask for too much whether its money or length of contract move them on as well and we start afresh.

As usual you wonder about player managers in this.They have the scruples of a tori on heat.

I agree keogh.

I'm sick of the whole "lack of leadership saga". The club must start afresh and show the four of them the door. We must get the basic foundation right to move forward in the correct way.
Show some guts Carlton and make the tough decisions.

My solution is keep Fev and Lance but, its time for someone like Brett Ratten, Craig Braddely even Greg Williams to come on aboard the coaching staff. These players are respected especially Ratts he could have a major impact on this list.

Synbad all players chase money, so would i if i were a player you would always want the best deal you can get.

We cant let go of Fev or Lance they are way to valuable and you have to remember the media write crap and again its our turn. Most of the stories are fabricated Like Geg Denhams article in the Australian last week that we would do a deal for a pick in the top eight for Fev told to him by a board member. What a tool Ottens got to first round picks and he is shit all this speculation is simply because unfortunately negative football stories sell papers and this is all being blown out because there is only 1 victorian team in the finals and nothing else to write about.

Journalist can have a field day when a team/club is struggling and like Paul Connors said (fevs manager) on SEN he does not need to contact the club nor should they contact him because he knows this is all rubbish and the club and Paul dont have to react to this crap been writen.

Really get rid of fevola, our Only matchwinner. Lets go back to the thread when he signed his new deal and see how happy everyone was. Let me go back to the Wizard cup grandfinal when the crowd were singing Fevolas name in sheer ecstasy. We all forget don't we. Jump on the bandwagon when it suits.

I will be really pissed off if this trade goes ahead. Yes his attitude puzzles me sometimes, but given he has just signed a new contract in good faith, he deserves at least another year to pull his socks up. Who the hell are the young kids going to like without him. Don't make me laugh you Fevola knockers.

Have you all thought about the fact that when we get more talented midfielders he may stop cracking the shits.

Ok lets praise the good guys like Kouta, Lappin, Campo, Whitnall because they dont cause any trouble apart from contract time.

PJ posted that someone on CSC posted about it in the B&F thread - I just checked it - it was a one line question asking whether anyone else knew anything about it (ie not first hand). There were no responses to it because the thread got lost in the shitstirring that these forums tend to degrade into.

Posted on Saturday morning by Macca who went to the B&F.

CSC Forum

He doesn't say if he heard it first hand.

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Working alone. At the coalface. Scott's gone for lunch! Said he would be back in 30 mins.

Yes I'm sure he will. How will we all feel then? He's about our only match winning A grader. I can't see any of the other forwards being as good. But let's just give up on him after one bad season where he had no real supply. Let's see how he goes with some better supply. And he is good with supporters, especially kids. How good will that be for membership if we no longer have him?