I dont understand that argument Mark. If it was an average team, who's fault is that?
The senior coach is responsible for player and list development.

The reality is Malthouse had 14 years at Collingwood. More than enough opportunity to build his own team. He won 1 grand final in 14 years at the best resourced club in the country.
If thats the criteria, Mark Williams is twice the coach Malthouse is.

If you're happy with Malthouse, great. Me, I'd like to see oyur club get off their arses and put everyone through a thorough interview process.
Why is everyone so scared of that?
Is it because Malthouse may not be the best candidate?

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He could just be a hammy actor? over cooking it?

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BV I understand you don't like him and thats fine but anyway you look at it his record is fairly impressive.

Premierships are bloody hard to win and getting harder and he has three.

Has any side he ever coached bottomed out?

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You would have to say given the resources available to each coach that Choco is more impressive?

2005 they bottomed out/tanked.

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You don't shop at Woolworths then I gather? Or set foot in one of 283 ALH venues throughout Australia? One thing the Roos family would be aware of is the philanthropy of Bruce Mathieson which goes largely unnoticed compared to his other business/pleasure pursuits because it doesn't sell news.

I reckon Chocco is a bloody good coach as well.

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i remember the same thing being said about Pagan.
impressive record. Sides dont bottom out.

Its not about me not liking individuals. its about me wanting us to do the right thing for a change.
FFS, we have an opportunity to finally do things properly. To actually set up a comprehensive interview process and give ourselves every opportunity to get things right.
We bemoan board members not being accountable to the members. we bemoan the club looking after their mates. And the one time we have the chance to do it right, we shit ourselves and go back to the quick fix.

Why cant we interview Malthouse along with a dozen others? Whats the problem?

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Absolutely.
I'd love to see Williams get the opportunity to apply.

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He should get a lot of the credit for the development of the GWS youngsters.

Why wouldn't we be pursuing him just as hard (if not harder) than Malthouse?

Or put all the candidates through an interview process?

Comes back to the trash that Sticks is talking



Why does it have to be in the next couple of years? The best clubs strive to be successful all the time...Geelong/Sydney - they don't limit themselves by setting a window.

Geelong continue drafting youngsters and back themselves in to develop them. Most people thought Geelong's 'window' was shut after GAJ left but then they go and win another flag (on the back of a lot of younger players).

Tony Shaw talks shit most of the time but he was right when he said

"It's going to be based on some ego-driven board members who want to cover their backside by getting someone with a massive name into that club to cover their backside over the next three years."

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I do shop at woolworths. Not sure what the other thing is.

You told me that Roos wouldnt be swayed by money. I thought pokie money would be even worse. Roos being a little 'new age'.

I was trying to side with you and you turned on me.

I don't agree with your comments about Malthouse but you're spot on in regards to the highlighted bit...

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Agree BV, but a proper process will never happen with Sticks and this board.
Would have been good timing for him to walk and not let his mate take all the blame.
The place needs fumigating.

They should chuck a bucket load of money at John Longmire he has rebuilt the swans in 2 to 3 years everyone expected them to bottom out once Roos left
Better prospect than Malthouse

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Sorry have only read the last part of this thread but how do we know that they havent /will interview all candidates ?

on saying that i think the MM deal has been done weeks ago - gut feeling

I don't know if Leigh Tudor is ambitious or media savvy but he has worked under Roos, Lyon, Longmire, Thompson.

You're right though - do you think the Swans said "Shit Goodesy, Kirky, Hally, Micky are all coming to an end let's try and squeeze a flag out....after that we're [REDACTED]!". Nah they went and drafted Reid, Parker, Jetta etc and through smart trading got Kennedy, McGlynn and Mumford.

I get @#$%&! angry because this club doesn't seem to look at what other clubs have been able to do through smart decision making.

The club suffers from a saviour syndrome.......as though it is still the VFL.

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You seriously believe the club would have interviewed assistant coaches behind Rattens back and the football world didnt know about it?
Nothing happens at Carlton without it being reported in the papers next day. Nothing.

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Sneaky leakers

Just on sticks.....when he got asked the question: "would ratten have gotten sacked if MM wasn't available", he was thinking to himself how could he best answer this question without admitting that they are after MM, but he couldn't. He simply could not think quickly enough on his feet and thus came out with "that's a hard call". The guy simply is not sharp enough to have that position. You need someone that can look the media in the eye and then immediately say "we had to let go of ratten based on the performance of the club this year - it has nothing to do with MM or anyone else".

Whilst that almost certainly would be a lie, thats what you have to say.

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Happy to have MM hope he brings Scotty Burns with him to take over in 2 years

!st point- Malthouse took over a very ordinary filth outfit and took to it to Grand finals.
2nd point- he them rebuilt that team and got to and won a GF despite never having any real access to lower draft picks
3rd point- tend to agree re interveiw process, however Malthouse has a proven track record in building culture and a hardness in his teams, the very qualities the current list lacks.

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