Brownlow voting lacks credibility....every year we see some players who dominate games fail to get a vote ie Pavlich this year and the most famous of them all when Greg Williams had his own footy during one game and had 40+ touches but failed to get a vote leading to Gavin Wanganeen stealing the medal.....I dont think the umpires should be burdened with the task of casting votes as they are having enough trouble getting basic umpiring decisons correct...

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I want to see a medal made up of the views of the various "stakeholders".

Five panels:

1. AFL appointed (ex players/Barassi types etc)
2. Umpires
3. Players
4. Media
5. Fans

Each panel would have a weighting of 20%.

I've no idea how you'd appoint these panels but I'm sure that could be worked out.

You could tally the votes however you want but I think it'd be fair to say you wouldn't get too many "undeserving" winners or stiff losers.

I have no issue with all of this - however I am more thinking about the criticism people have expressed towards the Board of not being “boldâ€

How about Nick Stevens getting 11 votes in the woeful rubbish that we dished up this year. If we manage to string together a decent year he would have to be a chance of winning the thing!

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The vote card actually read;
1 - Carlton, L Whitnall
2 - Carlton, N Stevens
3 - Carlton, No. 40

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Patrick Smith - Just another reason to HATE Essendon*!

So was Setanta! He kicks goals with 100% of his kicks in the AFL! What are you doing umpires?

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Cer 'ch 'n alluog Blues

Was thinking the same thing 2ndeffort.

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What I have been trying to advocate is more “understandingâ€

The clubs finances are poor Mikkey but the administration have a plan in place which is turning the ship around.
As for sponsors, many were signed this year including Dan Murphys, K&S, Custom Fleet and Subaru interactive whilst existing sponsors like Nike and CUB are contracted till the end of 2008.

Carlton was fantastic value for sponsors this year because Carlton supporters support the club and display their passion when they see a future.
A mid year review was collated after round 11.
The club had won 2 games yet-

*An average of over 43000 people attended our first 11 games.
(an increase of 18% from 2004 and the 3rd highest of all clubs)

*An average of over 45,500 attended our home games.
(An increase of over 40%!)

*4.3 million free to air TV viewers watched Carlton home games.
(2nd highest of all AFL clubs)

*Over 338,000 visitors logged on to Carltons website in the first 5 months of 2005.
( An increase of 20% on 2004 and CarltonFC.com.au is the leading website in the AFL)

Carltons sponsors should be delighted with the exposure they recieve.
For a club that has won an average of 6 games per year in the last 3 seasons, the supporters stick fat.

Perceptions mean everything Mikkey.
If the football community believe Carlton are a club with a future, the sponsors will too.
If we are viewed as a regressive, unimaginative organisation which is happy to stay where we are, thats when people will fall away.
We are selling tomorrows results, not todays.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

BV perception and image is everything.
That is the very reason I have been frustrated with Collo over the past couple of years in regards to his press conferences and news articles.
We are painting the wrong picture and even though Elliott was running the club down to the pits it is today, he never, ever showed it up in public.

These things reach levels where the problems are too big to hide. Do you honestly think if our financial problems were so trivial they could be quietly sorted out behind closed doors Collo still would have air dirty laundry in public?

No need to help it or encourage it along either NC.

Collo is there to get the pigs out of the trough Surrey.
Someone had to take a big stick to the whole organisation including playing group, administration etc.
Our financiers, supporters, sponsors wanted to see the financial situation stabilised.
That needed to be demonstrated.
They are'nt going to put money in to see it running out the other end.
Collo was the man for the job.
He is viewed as a tough uncompromising manager.

He shouldnt start compromising now.

Malouf and the commercial operations team are there to appease the sponsors and demonstrate the value the club can offer them.
Against the odds they are doing it well.

Sponsors are not fools.(Generally speaking)
They are looking to sponsor a club on the way up.
In return they get value for money as our returns to them are very good yet they currently pay mid range costs.
They want to see a future.

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I think all anyone wants to see from the club is a sense of destiny....

These blokes doint give us a destiny.. or at least a positive destiny....

Even Corporates would rather watch Buddy Franklin and Roughead running around than Holland Thompson and Hay....

Hopefully same with our sponsors.

Plus if you have a plan.. the media lays off and the attention switches to the positive rather than a laughing stock negative....

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...and substance is nothing?

Have you been hanging out at the urinals with Tony Abbott and Bomber Beazley again Surrey?

I know it's not yours so you can't claim all the credit but that quote is about the stupidest thing to ever come from anyone's lips and sums up much of what's wrong with EVERYTHING in the world as far as I'm concerned.

It's bad enough that politicians believe this shit but when they start quoting it at the public as if it's a justification for being a complete @#$%&! policy-less wanker it shits me to tears.

Find a better breed of crap spin and I'll tune in again.

Obviously never been in sales GWS.

Um yopull find he has./. and he isnt selling mixed lollies to kids in a milk bar....

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I thought that was Justin Davies?

Perception and image are important, but only if they're connected with substance. The renaissance of Collingwood was a perfect example of how to mix sales & marketing with the truth. People might enjoy taking potshots at Eddie McGuire, but it can't be denied that was the driving force behind making the old enemy strong again.

One of the primary reasons he succeeded was he recognised the culture of the club had gone to seed, so he had a clean-out at every level of the club's administration and most of the playing list. Undoubtedly they made some mistakes along the way, but the best leaders get it right only 70-80% of the time, or they're not taking enough risks.

So far we have slowly been turning over the staff at the club, and we haven't had the financial and general off-field success of the Magpies, which could be because we're not taking sufficient risks at board level, and are still thinking too conservatively.

So, yes, image and perception are very important, so long as they don't only consist of hot air.

This club would be a joke if the board bukled to the demands of Campo, Whitnall, Lappin! We are at the bottom which doesnt bother me because we deserve to be there, but we cant keep praising players who give us good games wice a season.
We should look the the future and forget about the past! I any of you studied stataistics those games are called outliers and are excluded.

We should be judging our players when we are loosing (happens every week hehe). If a player isnt trying or supporting a one an another player they should be dropped with no return.
It may be tight but we have to cut our losses on Sporn etc. Sporn has has 1 good game and we judge him on it and say he can be a gun. We have to cut our losses.

I love Wiggins' efforts because he always tries and supports his teammates. The senior group should learn a bit about about his leadership skills minus skill on actualy playing football.

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