And drove him into the ground with another typical undisciplined Jarrad Waite - if he'd of released him after he kicked he may have got away with it, but Jarrad being Jarrad he just had to to do a dumb / selfish act AGAIN and cost us a goal 20 seconds from the siren

We lost by 15 pts and it may have hd no bearing on result, but when we were charging in the last qtr, the panic stations may have been a bit for for the HAwks had they been 3 pts down rather than 9 pts - its all academic now but Waite is all about himself

PS - If it was 45 degrees than the ball would have gone out deep in the pocket close to 50 arc on the boundary rather then 15 metres out

Oh and i would give every umpire a good job at Visy...no salary cap for umpires...or third party agreements i take it???

Either that or a horse head in bed..

which ever ....
not fussed!!!...

Difference again is our hard nuts lack polish - Curnow and Armfield will miss crucial set shots and in doing so are the difference

Also, on the flip side our quick skilled types lack hardness. Yazz we know about and last night Garletts whole game was affected bec he played scared

I don't think the unskilled can become skilled so they'll be phased out. Cachia looks like an upgrade on the likes of Curnow and Robbo. As good as Curnows tagging has been his lack of polish is what sets us apart from the better sides

Can the skilled and quick be made to be harder? Maybe - Davis and Thomas are cases in point and Mick must do the same with Jeff and Yazz

I bet Mick can't wait to get McCinnes and Graham and Menzel into the side.

We are not far off the pace. About 3 goals off the top sides. The ladder is misleading.

But we won't bridge the gap with the 22 who played last night.

NEed to address the problem with hard but unpolished and skilled but soft playing stock

And need to find another quality key forward

I think it's time to use free agency for a free hit and also time to trade away things of value. Trade Warnock. Trade our first pick. Trade a Yazz or Jeff if they can't be toughened up

Big decisiOns are needed

Not one mention of Tuohy's game?

Kept the All Australian forward in Breust to 8 touches and 1 behind, and set up a few himself.

He does better with at least one of the two OOF, and he's my BOG.

Clarkson is such a Wanker, after the game he approaches the supporters like the players do waving his arms and fists in the air, he's such a flog. Glad the Cats and Swans are around to keep them honest and hopefully deny them a flag.

I agree 100% in keeping footy a man's game - and I guess that is the angle you are coming from....i love the bump, but I have played enough footy games and seen enough to know the ways you can hurt your opponent deliberately while disguising it. Hodge (in my opinion) knew what he was doing. He led with his shoulder and high. That is enough in my books, but we both know he disguised it well enough to get off. He will get off due to the deception.

Hell, we can't complain. In the 1981 g/f Johnston broke Stewart's jaw. That had an impact on that match. Johnston was similar to Hodge- both enforcers in the physical stakes. Ever seen the 1988 2nd semi vs Hawthorn? Guess who had his jaw broken in that match - It wasn't a bit time player- It was Carlton's most important player. Wayne Johnston. Similar thing here - take out their best player if you are going to take out anyone. They did that well.

More I think about it, Kreuzer re: Casboult. Contested well, clunked more than normal, and brought it to ground smartly..

And drove him into the ground with another typical undisciplined Jarrad Waite - if he'd of released him after he kicked he may have got away with it, but Jarrad being Jarrad he just had to to do a dumb / selfish act AGAIN and cost us a goal 20 seconds from the siren

We lost by 15 pts and it may have hd no bearing on result, but when we were charging in the last qtr, the panic stations may have been a bit for for the HAwks had they been 3 pts down rather than 9 pts - its all academic now but Waite is all about himself

PS - If it was 45 degrees than the ball would have gone out deep in the pocket close to 50 arc on the boundary rather then 15 metres out

Hodge wont go for the Murphy incident, it was an accident. However, he is in trouble for the hit on Henderson shortly after the Murphy one.

Overall I'm very happy with the way the boys played, and I'm sure Juddy would have thanked them for their efforts.

Very hard to stay with the hawks with Murphy missing for 2/3 of game and robbo playing with one shoulder.

The umpiring was terrible, but I think we could have converted more shots.

Once again our forward line was relatively dysfunctional against a top 8 team.
Really disappointing, I think maybe we need to bite the bullet and get a new forwards coach next year.
Barker has worked under 2 coaches now with mixed results at best, and I think we can do better.

Not sure what we do against swans.
Maybe time for some experimentation?

We agree again

I can't fault our efforts, we've just reached that point to improve big decisions needs to be made.