oh rubbish... !!!... the culture is a losing culture because the club is [REDACTED]!!!

nothing to do with not winning 2 extra games.. after we won wooden spoons when we wernt tanking ... AND PAYING OVER THE SALARY CAP ... WINNING SPOONS!!

the culture is shit because the people that mae up the culture are shit...!!!


You see... if we were run properly we wouldnt have crashed to nothingness.. paid over the odds .. salary cap cheated.. and won flags... we would have managed a ist properly before the tanking...

you dont get it do you??

this club has been in decline from probably 1990 and has never recovered.
Sure we won a flag on the back of form 4 picks from the mid 1980s .. and topped up with guys like G Wiliams.. who we poached .. after getting rid of him in the first place....

but our problems didnt start 2004 or even 2002...

only dummies think that,,,!!!

How did we have a winning culture AND be in a position to tank??...

Do you guys have a brain???.. i think im going to get a @#$%&! big needle and some of that pigs brain plasma for the idiotic stuff people sprook on here...and begin my own off site clinic... with pharaceutical experimental shit...!!!

Get in the que behind Surrey... and if you wanna know how youre wrong on this.. Surrey is right behnd you!!!.... you have to be wrong...!!!

now sign the @#$%&! waiver.. and be quiet!!!... youre getting pigs plasma for clear thinking.. and ill ask Dank what else he has in that fridge...!!!

i seriously cant believe how ridiculous some people are.

If you wanna know whats wrong.. look at your board

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We all drank the tanking kool aid, every single one of us.

some of u drank the mezcal and ate the @#$%&! worm... ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

idiots!!!!!... u cant mix the two... it degenerates your @#$%&! brain cells!!!...

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Better than dra th, that's for sure.

Ok boys, lets start at the top. List your top 5 candidates in order for President. Then we will go from there.

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This guy can easily do the job......

Here he is telling the Essendon* President what he thinks of him.."мало"...

Plus he hates Oligarchs and gets things done.. and wont tolerate the nancy stuff...

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Zac

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We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion.

Is Greg Swan still CEO ?

I have not seen or heard from this guy all year, he seems to only turn up when there's good news if any ,what does he actually do or his fat cat salary?

I think Carlton needs to look at these guys, our recruiters and development coaches, the scary part is that the Northern Blues are just as shit as the senior team so wherevtonfrom here??

Summary of 2013?

Sobering, disappointing and deflating. Going nowhere with this list and need a major renovation at best.

Not to mention changes required off field with coaching structure, coaching personnel, recruitment and development.

Don't hold much hope for the next 2-3 years, which depresses me.

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We are on our way back...

Andy Penn

the way I look at it there has been 2 sides that have gone out of their way to tank and both are basket cases
I said it then and I say it now it was the wrong message to send to the playing group it said that winning doesn't matter - Even now people are suggesting we should have shut up shop and rebuild the list
The coach is even saying he has to go to the draft indicating that it doesn't really matter what the results are

to be successful you need a must win at all cost culture we still don't have it because the people around the club feel that its ok to lose because your draft picks become better - so do supporters
Well what have all those early draft picks achieved - zilch

you ask what winning those extra few games could of got us
well
Thomas instead of Murphy
Pendlebury instead of Kennedy
Selwood instead of Gibbs
Cotchin instead of Kruezer
Tippett instead of Hampson

tanking proves nothing and improving one place in the draft does nothing

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Wasted year. Cannot see any improvements to take us into next year. Same old.

Ok one positive for me was Menzel. That's it...

Fair enough but when I said core I was only thinking of a few players such as you mentioned, ie Henderson, Menzel, Zac, Maclean, Simpson, Kreuzer, Carazzo, etc.

Ground Zero to me implies getting rid of 100% of the existing list, which to me is going too far.

would you bring in Voss as an assistant? (if he could work with Malthouse)

not sure I think Brad Green is the right calibre either.

ps agree complete with original poster. First time I actually punched and kicked a chair at the stadium

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

problem is - that only works if you are following after carlton has used its no 1 pick.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

My summary
A club in denial, has been exposed as frauds.

Best thing is that MM is coach this year. If Ratts had of served final year, i think we would have been in a similar position and 'we' and club would have incorrectly blamed Ratts; change coach and be in denial another year.

I @#$%&! hope the club pull their finger out and not expect MM be the saviour. One man aint going to solve our problems.

Time for CFC leadership who believed we would win premierships by 2015, to step aside. They have run their race. We need people who can know how to run a club.

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yep, yep and yep

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S M C , S F L

What I've learnt : it wasn't Ratten's game plan.

That's right Bolty.

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