You're not wrong there. We're not in the same category by choice



Hardness?
We average more contested possessions, contested marks, one percenters than Geelong and we smash them in clearances. Its our uncontested possessions that kill us.
Now that is where Chapman specialises. The trouble is, its our gamestyle that doesnt endear itself to uncontested possessions. Bringing in a 32 year old wont change that. As for not having young guys crying to step up, bringing in old blokes to take their place on the list doesnt help. Use that spot on a young draftee.
Graham was killing it in the VFL this season and should have received more games. He shouldnt have to battle a Paul Chapman for a spot in the side.The young bloke should always get preference if he's showing enough.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

..yes, and yet geelong are still a much harder side than us.. ..harder physically first off.. ..game stats have a lot to do with game style.. ..harder mentally, and by a long margin.. ....i'd even say harder emotionally.... ..in regards to graham 'killing it' in the vfl goes, sure.. ..late in the year.. ..earlier on he had setbacks, lets not make it out that he was on fire for months and 'old blokes' kept him out of the side.. ..and if there is only one last spot left in our best 22 for a young bloke and a fit chapman is keeping him out of the side.. ..yanno, we're in a good place.... ..thing is, an old bloke [1 of] isn't keeping young kids out, cos our side has plenty of positions/spots up for grabs.. ..and we have a coach that history says does play young kids.. ..he's not ross lyon..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Savage took the money at the saints

Docherty will do the same with the doggies

Our problem is we don't haveuch space in the salary cap and are being outbidded by some of the struggling clubs who have plenty of room.

Hate to say this, but the pies are killing it this year.

They will have three first round picks to with the three they had last year. That's 6 quality players in two years to compliment the list they have.

In two years, they have rebuilt there list by being bold and brave.

Where as we can't even convince fringe players to commit to our club because we are paying overs for a players who's played no footy in two years

No, he is part of a bigger deal between Hawks and Saints. He is not a free agent and can't freely choose.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Some of the rubbish posted here is astonishing.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

I thoroughly recommend taking the 20 minutes and adding to your foe list at length. (Start here, the Dustin Martin thread and then the Daisy one).

My risk levels of having a stroke have plummeted.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

The Saints having exactly the player the Hawks want would have helped and it shows in them giving up pick 17 as well.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Well picked up Mickey.

17 and Savage for McEvoy is great for the Aints.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

..rubbish.. ..this year DT left them, not their choice.. ..Shaw went a bit off the rails, not their choice.. .... ..they have benefited, but by default.. ..last year they pushed out dawes, lynch as a cheap alternative a big bust.. ..dawes played his role [kpf, not fwd/ruck that bucks tried to make him], but was also cheap cash and provided good leadership and helped keep the team smooth, there's more to him leaving than just his onfield role.. ..ripple effect saw ruffled feathers this season.. ..yes they got grundy i think with that pick [actually dee's 2nd rounder, not a 1st round], but could have used their first rounder on him just the same just a few picks earlier..

..and fringe players, aren't the sort to be gnashing teeth over when you miss out, after getting a genuinely topline player to come over.. ..and it's more like 1 year, he played most games last year..

..but if you'd rather pay overs for fringe players instead of an AA player, that's your perogative..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

We have expressed some interest in schoenmakers ..hawks want our first round pick .. we are offering players .. they are not interested in any of our players

Exactly Cimm. People forget that to trade you have to have "currency". We can safely assume that we offered Hammer for Savage to the Hawks, but they deemed him not good enough for their ruck needs. That is how it goes.

The issue is quite simple. The club wants to keep its first round pick and does not do a total rebuild atm. If we did Gibbs, Kreuzer etc would be on the table and we would not have recruited Daisy ad would have kept the compo pick for Betts. You can choose to agree or disagree with the club. The strategy is list improvement - not not list rebuild. This is a difficult strategy in a trade week. On one side you cant offer players with lots of currency on the other hand you don't want to give up you first round pick.

In this situation you are up against clubs who are rebuilding or those in the middle of the window and willing to give up first round picks. Never expected too much from this trade period except for free agent(s) and hopefully better recruiting in the draft (with the expertise of the Geelong guy we hired).

People need to adjust their expectations.

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Ratts giving too much inside information?

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Channel 7's outside information would probably do the trick.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Yeah....nah....

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Don't mind Schoenmakers at all. Not for pick 12 though.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

He is contracted and didn't have to go anywhere. HE WENT WITH THE HIGHER FINANCIAL OFFER

AND IS CONTRACTED SO THE HAWKS CAN PICK THE BEST OFFER.

WE DON'T HAVE WHAT THEY WANT!!!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

You just proved my point right. For a team thats had a heap of players leave, injuries to key players, culture problems, players not buying in they still managed to finish above us and in sixth position.

DT isn't a huge loss. They've had two years without him. They have a good core group of players to rebuild around. like Swan, Pendles, Beams, Sidebottom, Reed, Cloke, Brown. The last two years they have and will inject 6 top 20 players to that list. With there recruiting history, i reckon all 6 will be guns. They are going to add Taylor Adams and Jessie White.

They will be contending in a year or two.

They are a very smart football club. They have smart football people making the right decisions.

So we swap pick 28 for savage. Hawks swap pick 17 and 28 for Mcavoy.

Whats the difference?

He took the money. Docherty is going to take the money.