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 Post subject: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:49 am 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Carlton recruiters keen on securing outside midfielders with speed and polish in the national draft

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 09083baee8

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AN OUTSIDE midfielder with speed and polish tops Carlton’s wishlist at this year’s national draft.

The Blues are again looking at a major intake of fresh talent with as many as 10 changes to the list forecast at season’s end.

Recently re-signed national recruiting manager Shane Rogers said the club was also eyeing a young key forward from this year’s draft pool to support goalkicker Levi Casboult and veteran spearhead Jarrad Waite.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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bell cripps graham not very blessed with pace,so to me it is so obivious what we need and i am on much much cheaper wage then rogers.Also that 1 key position either fwd or def has to have some type of pace .AT the end of the day who ever we recruit i want to see speed/ pace .


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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pew1 wrote:
bell cripps graham not very blessed with pace,so to me it is so obivious what we need and i am on much much cheaper wage then rogers.Also that 1 key position either fwd or def has to have some type of pace .AT the end of the day who ever we recruit i want to see speed/ pace .


Can get a pacy mid with a 2nd rounder; not so a quality key forward.

Let's hope the club aren't fooled by Casboult's performance against Hawthorn; a team minus its top 3 key defenders in Lake, Gibson and Stratton.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Hopefully this is all smoke & mirrors. Surely our priority is a tall?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:20 pm 
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woof wrote:
We need everything.


Yep. Hard to have priorities when your lacking all over.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:24 pm 
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No quote from Rogers saying that our priority is a speedy outside mid. Just that we need that along with talls. Looks like a journo who knows he'll get a reaction if he says Carlton are overlooking talls again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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ThePsychologist wrote:
woof wrote:
We need everything.


Yep. Hard to have priorities when your lacking all over.


..sure it is, via the draft when you need as much as we do, you still need to take into account time required to develop he kids.. ..talls take longer, so you want to get them first.. ..it's no point having a midfield peaking, and young talls still finding their way.. ..hendo and bolt are 24, Jamo is older, watto no promise to make it, Giles yet unproven but foot setback will slow him down..

..yes we need quality all over, but if we don't go tall with our first rounder, it's a decade since we have.... ..a decade of us trying to improvise a spine.. ..my main thing is, I just hope for the next few drafts we stick to the foundations of a list, kpp and prime mids..

..forget the cream, just build the cake for once..!!..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Like the look of Hugh goodard with our first pick.
Although he has struggled of late, can play at both ends, good size, good speed and poses a lovely kick.
Reckon he may slide to our first pick (round about 5), he is a serious talent...
Our second pick can a quick outside mid.
Our third pick can be a quick outside mid.
Would like too see Garlett played on a wing, reckon he would destroy teams with he's pace..
IMO would like too see,
Buckley Jamison Simpson
Docherty Rowe/Giles?? Everitt
Walker Cripps Garlett
Yarran Henderson Thomas
Menzel H.Goodard Judd
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
I/C; Robinson Curnow(tagger) ???
Sub; Tuohy/Bell
Need to find out if,
Johnson, Holman, Graham, Reynolds and Giles can play, otherwise goodby..
Maybe Casboult will surprise me and perform week in week out, little inconsistent at the minute.


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 Post subject: List Management 2014
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Pretty much best available yeah? Come on TC before the draft. Draft experts everywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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The very reason we keep f***ing up at the draft. We go in with needs mentality and then draft the wrong person instead of best available at the pick, especially with the top 30 or so picks.


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They need to draft footballers and stop looking outside the square on the off chance they may find a superstar no one has looked at

We have 3 Irish boys on the list and although they may turn out good 3 is a gamble when you only have 42 places
Cripps and Menzel both gambles for different reasons one with his knees the other with his size.
Need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and pick players that are pure footballers .
It started back at Kouta and they got lucky
You vary rarely get that lucky twice

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:02 am 
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Here is a tip don't pick anyone with any of the following attributes (easy to remember Rogers they all start with S):
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Before everyone jumps down my throat about bagging the Irish my partner is Irish
Carlton has too many project types
Watson can kick but nothing else
Casboult can mark the nothing
Bell can hustle and bystle but thats it
Curnow can tag but nothing else
Robbo gets in can take a mark but lacks skills and awareness
To many they need footballers and why they think they can develop these blokes is beyond me when they couldnt develop guys like Russell and Lucas who were footballers
Need to go back to basics have one or two projects not 8-10

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:16 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Like the look of Hugh goodard with our first pick.
Although he has struggled of late, can play at both ends, good size, good speed and poses a lovely kick.
Reckon he may slide to our first pick (round about 5), he is a serious talent...
Our second pick can a quick outside mid.
Our third pick can be a quick outside mid.
Would like too see Garlett played on a wing, reckon he would destroy teams with he's pace..
IMO would like too see,
Buckley Jamison Simpson
Docherty Rowe/Giles?? Everitt
Walker Cripps Garlett
Yarran Henderson Thomas
Menzel H.Goodard Judd
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
I/C; Robinson Curnow(tagger) ???
Sub; Tuohy/Bell
Need to find out if,
Johnson, Holman, Graham, Reynolds and Giles can play, otherwise goodby..
Maybe Casboult will surprise me and perform week in week out, little inconsistent at the minute.


..talk is Goddard will slide a bit because he has been struggling a bit on the fast, agile types.. ..he looks very good on the average forwards, but concern on him is will he struggle at afl level due to his pace and agility.. ..we don't want another watto, one is enough..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:30 pm 
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dane wrote:
Pretty much best available yeah? Come on TC before the draft. Draft experts everywhere.



..probably, I doubt we will have a selection of talls to choose from at our pick, I don't think there's that many top ten talls.. ..mccartin a possible number one, but will his need to have blood sugar levels checked per quarter limit his ability for afl.?.. ..wright is 203 and is a forward that can also ruck, which I think for the modern game is better than a ruck that can rest forward (not an inbetweener).. ..durdin looks very good, and possibly the best Kpp prospect, even with Wright and mccartin the current higher rated tallls..

..top twenty types.. ..goddard looks like he may slip outside top ten, due to questions on his pace and ability for afl tempo.. ..moore most likely goes f/s (pies) so not on the radar.. ..lever and lamb will be around the ten mark, give or take a position or two.. ..neither are true Kpp size, Lever a tall flanker type, Lamb ditto plus has been getting a run on ball as well since he is a good runner, though i don't know if it's a good tank in general, or for a guy his height..

..looks like Frawley is gone, will dee's get a compo right after their first pick?, and furthermore will they finish below, or above us..?..

..not sure on the other types, have only been paying attention to the talls, but we're maybe even more chance to not go tall with our first pick s will have to start reading up on and watching what I can of the other top tenners..

..any ideas on how we can get another first round pick..?..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:13 pm 
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read that ess gave away 3 players for matty L,wonder which players we can give to gws for boyd.Regarding casboult he has to play ff for a game not ruckman then ff and with a good midds say hard to beat.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
They need to draft footballers and stop looking outside the square on the off chance they may find a superstar no one has looked at

We have 3 Irish boys on the list and although they may turn out good 3 is a gamble when you only have 42 places
Cripps and Menzel both gambles for different reasons one with his knees the other with his size.
Need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and pick players that are pure footballers .
It started back at Kouta and they got lucky
You vary rarely get that lucky twice


You may need to learn the rules/numbers before your perceived gamble can be taken seriously. Byrne is outside the list (so can't be included in the "gamble") & the list is 44.

Sheehan seems to be playing well & has a more mature body & experience gained from his earlier (brief) AFL venture & extensive gaelic footy/int. rules. All have been rookies, and that's where you need to pry your experiments from rather than through your main drafts.

Josh Bootsma was a bigger gamble & that was with a first round draft pick.....

Tuohy's kicking is one of the better in the team but is seriously out of form. Putting this in the fatherhood basket that many players seem to fall into. Probably needs to be played more on the wing to get him out of defensive line where he's getting taken to the cleaners this year. Believe his drafting has been a big success so far.


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BIRDTOWN wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
They need to draft footballers and stop looking outside the square on the off chance they may find a superstar no one has looked at

We have 3 Irish boys on the list and although they may turn out good 3 is a gamble when you only have 42 places
Cripps and Menzel both gambles for different reasons one with his knees the other with his size.
Need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and pick players that are pure footballers .
It started back at Kouta and they got lucky
You vary rarely get that lucky twice


You may need to learn the rules/numbers before your perceived gamble can be taken seriously. Byrne is outside the list (so can't be included in the "gamble") & the list is 44.

Sheehan seems to be playing well & has a more mature body & experience gained from his earlier (brief) AFL venture & extensive gaelic footy/int. rules. All have been rookies, and that's where you need to pry your experiments from rather than through your main drafts.

Josh Bootsma was a bigger gamble & that was with a first round draft pick.....

Tuohy's kicking is one of the better in the team but is seriously out of form. Putting this in the fatherhood basket that many players seem to fall into. Probably needs to be played more on the wing to get him out of defensive line where he's getting taken to the cleaners this year. Believe his drafting has been a big success so far.

yes your right beannie Brynne Sheehan and Touhy are goung to be in the starting 22 when we win our next flag

and yes Bootsma was another project

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