For a 5th round pick?

Been calling for Tuohy to be dropped since round 1. Just probably not on this site, been focusing more on speedy Brock McLean and elite disposal Carrazzo.

For a player...but he's contracted through 2017...amateur hour again from McKay.

Isn't in 16?

He probably needed a 3 year deal to get his visa renewed

Yeah...'16....still his form and that of others pretty much sums up the lack of depth.

..bingo.... ..this season has been poor, our lack of depth has had our hands tied.. ..players out of form, players needing surgery, players needing rest, players dong their preseason in season.. ..yet so many still playing..

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Surely now is the time for development and testing the rest of our list? Is there a reason to do anything else?

Graham, Holman, Johnson, Bell now need to play. Might as well play Watson, Lucas as well. Walker, Jamison, Henderson etc get the injuries right and be ready for 2015.

I am hoping we can see a minimum of 10 young new talented kids on our list in 2015. There is NO other way.

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..ten may be asking for too many, I'd gladly take half that number, provided they are genuinely talented and not just hopefuls..

..cant see how we can get even one good early pick extra..

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Touhy is our best user of the ball if he got tge ball 25+ times a game we would win everyone of them
But he is only getting it 10 or so . That either means
He is not working harder enough to get it
Players arent looking for him
He is playing a negating role that limits him
Or Malthouse shit blaze it down the line game plan doesnt suit him

Him and Yarran are the only ones I trust with the ball and neither gets it enough
If these guys were in Sydney or Hawthorn or any other club they would be the go to boys

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I like touhy ... I hear he's pretty much playing on one leg too with his strapped knee bothering him. Gibbs is meant to be hobbled too, although you wouldn't know it watching him.

Yarran is class, you don't him to be doing too much heavy lifting and using energy where it's not better spent.

He's the outside run and carry we absolutely need. Sack maclean for starters. Carrrots, Kurnow, robinsion, cahcia, graham, holman bell and quite possibly crisps are all clones of each other. One-dimensional slow-legged insiders who are a liability when the ball spreads, the contest breaks down or we turn the ball over.

maclean, lucas and watson should never play afl for this club again, imo. They are that bad.

I'd take robinson out of your list as he definitely is quicker and adds grunt.
I'd also take out "Kurnow" as he is a pure tagger due to his tank.
Bell is just injury prone, needs a sustained run, but definitely not a clone.
I'd also question how much we really know about Holman, Graham and Crisps at the moment.

Other than that.

I'd say Carrazzo looks shot. Too many up and unders. Shadow of his former self.
Maclean looks shot also. Can't see him getting much better.

There is room for 3-4 of them on the list.

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There is no way you can blame Tuohy's output (or lack of it) on Malthouse's gameplan. To be honest he's fortunate to even be playing in the seniors at the moment and that's more due to our appalling lack of depth than any good recent performances.

Our list management is deplorable. So many one paced midfielders yet no up and coming talls and definitely no contenders to play as a small defender.

As I've been saying since the Collingwood loss midway through last year, we need to regenerate and I don't mind losing if it's losing with kids. Holman, Graham and Temay must all play before the year is out so we can find out if any of them are worth persevering with.

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Why are you worried about Touhy?
It wouldn't be a big contract and he has plenty of upside.

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I agree re: money...but disagree re: upside. I reckon we've seen his ceiling.

Surely not. We are going to see though.

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Is there any danger of player development taking place?
It seems to me we expect players to walk into the system and learn the game themselves. The role of the coaches doesn't cease at the final siren. Players can and should be developed until the day they retire.
If Tuohy has deficiencies (which every player in the AFL has), identify them and put plans in place to rectify them.

It seems to me Carlton has a "fits one, fits all" policy. Midfielders do midfield drills, Backs do defensive drills and I've got no @#$%&! idea what the forwards are doing.
Compare that to the successful clubs. Hawthorn for example. They videoed Sam Mitchell training for a month and compared it to his game requirements. They found that the majority of his training was based around straight line kicking and hand balling. Yet the majority of his disposals in games are kicks around the corner under pressure or pressured handballs.
They then catered his training to honing his relevant skills instead of the 80% of disposals at training he rarely uses.
Players are individuals with individual requirements. With the draft and salary cap, you can't be throwing blokes out the door if they can't fend for themselves.

Lastly, I choked on my weeties last week when Mick criticised the players for not showing leadership. Hey Mick, you [REDACTED] off any leadership programs the club had in place. Its a bit rich to take total control of the football department and then blame the players when they're not being leaders. Leadership is like player skills and abilities. It has to be developed and nurtured. It doesn't just appear in their pocket by having them attend an AFL club.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

If we get Zach circa 2011 (I think), then I'm happy with that as a ceiling. He could play in a premiership team at that level.

I've come around a bit on robbo. I'm seeing glimpses of him now attempting to hang on to the ball an extra second and survey the field rather than bomb away. At least he's doing something to address an inadequacy in his game.

As mentioned in the Collingwood thread - it's a disaster that Carrazzo has another year to run because he is done.

And I truly hope that Waite and Garlett are both off the list afte this year, in addition to the usual suspects who have all been named before.

Hmm... would you trade Curnow for Hurley ?

caNt wait to see those players testing their skills v the saints kids...
loser wins spoon.... id love to see that more than anything....

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Need to make sure we clean out or let go the useless types ....

We're being taunted in the Herald Sun today

(1) AT CARLTON, Sam Jacobs has become the definition of the one that got away.
(2) He's been gone 2 minutes but CROWS coach Brenton Sanderson wants the old scoreboard pocket at Adelaide Oval renamed the Eddie Betts pocket.

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You can guarantee that St Kilda will be treating this game like their Grand Final, they'll throw the kitchen sink at us for this one and we will fold like a cheap tent.

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