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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:35 am 
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In saying all this I haven't seen much if him of late so if the consensus is he's past his prime etc then I guess it stands I reason we should pass but as a rule I think we need to add some experience given the pendin departures of Judd etc


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:39 am 
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Look at Melb and how silly they were to
Lose nearly all their experienced mids like Brock, Silvia, McDonald, Bruce etc etc
You need youth to build a side together but you need experience too


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:05 am 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
He will be 27 at the start of next season.

Does anybody actually look at where we are on the ladder? We are looking like finishing bottom 4 and people want to top up with a 27 year old. Learn the lesson from picking up another injury prone 27 year old on huge coin from last year. It doesn't pay dividends.

Has anyone considered the requirement to rebuild the club with youth?


BV I disagree with you on this one

I think we are going to have a bit of a void in terms of experience with the old midfield guard coming to the end and I think it doesn't hurt to get some experience in



Good.
Then tell your mate not to push Judd out the door.
He's a far better player than Higgins, has a better history of getting on the park, can play inside mid which we need and wont cost as much.
It's amazing how we yearn or something others have when we devalue what's in our possession.

We already spent the farm on a broken down 27 year old. Let's try learning a lesson from it.

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I think people are jumping the gun consigning Thomas & Higgins to the dustbin.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:01 pm 
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are people serious about considering Higgins?

27, injury prone, soft and not that good. Given our list how would be be an advantage?

It's time for kids, kids and kids. If we recruit from other clubs it has to be someone like a Docherty. Still young, lots of upside and doesn't cost much.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:02 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
are people serious about considering Higgins?

27, injury prone, soft and not that good. Given our list how would be be an advantage?

It's time for kids, kids and kids. If we recruit from other clubs it has to be someone like a Docherty. Still young, lots of upside and doesn't cost much.

:roll:


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why is 27 over the hill ?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
are people serious about considering Higgins?

27, injury prone, soft and not that good. Given our list how would be be an advantage?

It's time for kids, kids and kids. If we recruit from other clubs it has to be someone like a Docherty. Still young, lots of upside and doesn't cost much.

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Rexy wrote:
I think people are jumping the gun consigning Thomas & Higgins to the dustbin.


Who consigned them to the dustbin?
It's about assessing their value. If you disagree, give some reasons why.

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Rexy wrote:
why is 27 over the hill ?

27 is not over the hill

Higgins (and his history) at 27 vs a young talent like Docherty is the point


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Played 15 games this year - continuity.

But lets ignore that.


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Rexy wrote:
Played 15 games this year - continuity.

But lets ignore that.


And dropped by the 14th placed team because his defensive game is poor.

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so ?


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 Post subject: Re: Re:
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london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
why is 27 over the hill ?

27 is not over the hill

Higgins (and his history) at 27 vs a young talent like Docherty is the point


Thank you, saved me saying it. Plus I still don't think he is that good. Finally gets an injury free run and still dropped by a side that is struggling. Can't even believe it's a discussion.

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 Post subject: List Management 2014
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27? What are we a retirement village?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:04 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
He will be 27 at the start of next season.

Does anybody actually look at where we are on the ladder? We are looking like finishing bottom 4 and people want to top up with a 27 year old. Learn the lesson from picking up another injury prone 27 year old on huge coin from last year. It doesn't pay dividends.

Has anyone considered the requirement to rebuild the club with youth?


BV I disagree with you on this one

I think we are going to have a bit of a void in terms of experience with the old midfield guard coming to the end and I think it doesn't hurt to get some experience in

And FAs (assuming he is one, I admit I haven't checked) can't be toddlers by virtue of the FA criteria

If it doesn't cost much in picks and dough I'm all for it as you're getting much needed experience and skill for zilch

I also don't think we are totally rebuilding from scratch

We have about 20 good players 27 or under so it's not like we are St.k who under Lyon refused to blood youth over a sustained period

I actually believe IF we can add 4 good players over the next two years we can be back in business

That's no guarantee though and it will need good drafting but adding a skilled 27 year old helps nail one of those four holes per se

The other three you'd be looking to add good kids

So you mostly add youth but also get for nothing a skilled 27 year old in the knowledge we are going to lose Scotland, Carrazzo, Judd, McLean, Waite, etc

I guess it depends if you think we have No hope but as I said I count 20 or so good players 27 or under which tells me we don't need to view this as a total rebuild


would be a poor choice if we recruited him

another injury prone player at 27 is the last thing we need at this stage


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:07 pm 
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Higgins to the Dees.


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Rexy wrote:
so ?


Great contribution to the debate

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Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
so ?


Great contribution to the debate

Well BV I don't see the big deal if he got dropped.

I think he should be looked at as he has naturally good skills and a touch of class which is an improvement on some of the bush league players who now get a game.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:21 pm 
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actually higgins is a good player but he offers no leadership
one thing about the doggies is they can drop missy because he isnt playing defensively.. because they have built a midfield.
he would get a game for us... even if he doesnt run both ways.. because thats mst of our players.. and they all play ... even graham gets a suck of the carlton sauce bottle

graham wouldnt get a sniff at the dogs

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