...and Hampson was clumsy and pick 17.
Jacobs was forth string and potentially AA.

List management....OMG....the MC, footy dept manager, list manager have no idea about list management.

We can turn things around with good list management. All we need to do is understand what we have got and which players don't have what we need, and turn them over.

A master stroke trade, a FA agent and a couple of good imports like Everitt and Docherty will help. Have we got the off field IP to achieve that?

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I'd be disappointed if Robbo was traded. He's an idiot but we have a black hole where our midfield should be.

I'll be disappointed if he stays. Somewhere around pick 40 sounds about right.

Who'll take him?

Was apparently offered a contract mid-year and didn't sign. Shows you what a moron he is.

Good point...I doubt we could give him away. But I'd be happy giving him away too.

That's the problem. When we believe we need to keep players like him because it will leave a hole we are really in trouble.

IMO we need to move on from players like Robbo and try and get better players who will take us to the top. It's this continued acceptance of mediocrity that has us in this position. We need to be ruthless and move these players on. They simply aren't that good. If they were we would be a better team.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

It's about time the philosophy around the club changes to that players are not indispensable.

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Agreed Psych....it's flawed thinking...Carlton people rate their players too highly.

especially when they aren't performing

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Exactly, when looking at a player we should be looking at whether he's capable of playing in a premiership side

Robbo has no fear but he wouldn't get a game in a top 4 side, he doesn't know how to use the ball when he has it.

Remember, Psych, they're are worth more to us than they are to them!

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So true. We need to get past it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..still think krooz has plenty of very good footy in him.. ..over the foot problem, will have a big pre-season now.. ..and with a better structured team and a greater spread of work ethic he wont be trying to pick up the slack of his lazy mids.. .... ..i think we sometimes forget how good he is when he's out of the game for a bit.. ..but is just 25, hasnt peaked yet.. ..good ruck skill, one of the best 'one touch' players on our list, is as creative as judd with the handball clearance..

..has had his injury concerns, but i reckon half of them have been club mis-management of him, and not a case of him having a fragile body.. ..has played at times when he shouldnt have, very poor by our club in the past.. ..heads should have rolled for what we put him thru in 2012, and even late last year.. ..never should have come back for round 23 and elim final, which costs him this season..

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The concern is with Kruezer is that he has had serious foot and knee injuries and for a ruck he isn't that tall so needs to rely on his agility and run. I hope he comes good, we need every good player we can get but if we were offered a pick inside 30 for him you'd have to take it.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..you'd easily get a pick inside 30.. .... ..but i disagree that he is short for a ruck, he's 200cm.. ..thats not short, sure he isnt that tall compared to some but some of those really tall ones just tap and lumber about.. ..mumford is shorter for example, and i'd take mummy over some of those beanpole giants.. ..same as krooz, and with the extra congestion the tap specialist doesnt have the room around him to use their strength.. ..now you need a ruck that works hard, can bullock through and inside the stoppages.. ..you need a ruck that is good around the ground and he is..

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Kreuzer is barely ruck height.

He'll go well around the ground but whether he likes it or not he MUST be effective as a forward as well.

kruzer has weak physque when isaw him play for nth . I reckon he does very little gym work so how is going to tough bullocking work.(compare him to coll ruck grundy 20 yrs old already looks stronger).Regarding robbo c u later trade but we must keep jeff ,he is one our player that has pace. Lucas i had him gone before rd1.

My List changes (hopes)

Out:

Bootsma
Duigan
Scotland (rookie)
Cachia (rookie)
Temay
McLean
Armfield
McInnes

Trade:

Garlett plus 4th Round Pick for 3rd Round pick
Robinson for 3rd/4th Round Pick
Waite through FA for 3rd Round pick (Wishful thinking)
Lucas to WA for maybe a pick around 50?

I would also try and trade 1 or 2 of Kruezer, Walker, Tuohy or Casboult for 1 or 2 picks inside Top 25.

Is there an option to trade a Robinson and pick 23 for 3 picks between 25 & 40? These are the type of things we need to look at to not only get quality but quantity into our list.

That's between 10-12 off our main list which is hard to replace. I'd seriously look at upgrading Johnson & Sheehan so we can still draft several rookies including a young ruckman.

Hopefully we can do a "Docherty deal" somehow.

I'm only keeping Watson because some idiot gave him a contract for next year.


PS and for one really outside the box I'd consider trading Menzel. Not sure he is happy at Carlton and if a club would offer a first round pick (top 10) and a good young player IMO it would have to be considered.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..people get excited about ruck height, but aside from cox and sandi most good rucks are 199 to 203.. ..krooz is 200, it isn't sub 2m and he gets enough of the tap work, at a good hit to adv.. ..and he is very good at using his body for around the ground stoppages.. ..we've played plenty of rucks over the last decade, tell me the other rucks we've played that have been match winners..?.. ..it's similar to most positions, you need a rounded game as a player, backed up by huge work ethic and heart.. ..one trick ponies are passengers.. ....and most of the very tall rucks are too one dimensional.. ..cox and sandi are the exceptions, not the norm..

..edit - our clearance work doesn't drop off either.. ..by all means if we go the trade sure, there's a reason why he's the one that you would have gotten something very good for.. ... ..now though, it's a season out.. ..reduced rate, you're just offering your rival a bargain..

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