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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:12 pm 
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The position the club took in stating a hardline position, could easily have been about the principles of engagement and process in their negotiation strategy (Rather than their statement being a hard line on "this specific offer or else").

Consistency of principles and engagement (e.g 2 years vs 3 years) is always my starting point of any negotiation plan.

Of course, you need flexibility to work around some of details to settle most agreements. It appears the club has done this (e.g Lance).

At the same time the club seems to have stuck to it's principles and in doing so kept players (who they have chosen to keep) - for an improved situation for the club. well done CFC if this is the case.

i do get a little concerned about those principles however when i reflect on Fevola being signed up for 3 years....these precedents create the biggest issue you have achieving a favourable negotiation.

On a positive note, the fact they have been able to close some deals (e.g if they retain lappin) whilst having the fevola agreement in place is a fair effort.


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Mackays Mistress, If Fev had not signed mid year, there is no way he would have got the same deal at years end. I suspect he would have got a lot less.

In my view Fevs deal is a bad one for the club, given the way he has played since signing, but as I did when when signed the Big Ones a few yers ago, I won't complain about but remember them when the next round of negoiations come up.


I disagree that he would have recieved less if he had waited until year end. We certainly would have looked after him better if he was unsigned. I imagine we would have admitted he was injured and actually rested him rather than play him every week and constantly deny there was anything wrong with him.

We would not have publicly bagged him in the media, because god forbid that would have devalued him!

And if he was uncontracted at seasons end, you could guarantee that clubs would have been after him. Coll would have thrown a heap of money at him to try to get him to walk into the PSD.

So I disagree. If he was uncontracted at the end of this year, I believe it would have been a bigger headache than Whitnall, Campo and Lappin combined.

So we saved ourselves that headache. But I believe we have created future headaches for ourselves by the way we handled Fev later in the year. If I was Fev or any other decent player I certainly wouldn't be signing early.


Bravo!!!!
I agree we have set a nasty precedent the way we handled the situation with Fev in the latter half of the year. Sure Fev may shoulder some blame for his body language, but the club did nothing but soil his reputation by playing him injured and offering him up as 'unwanted goods'. Not only may this influence future mid-season signings, but it may also have an impact on whether Fev continues his association with the club after this contract.

If my workplace devalued me in front of my peers they better not come knocking on my door preaching about 'loyalty' next time they want to negotiate a contract.


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Blue Vain wrote:
We're going around in circles Mark.
Yes I have moved on business deals.
I call it compromise and negotiation.

I dont however run around denying that I compromised.
If I have to misrepresent my position to obtain respect, I dont deserve it in the first place.


Who are you saying is running around denying they compromised Vain? The Carlton Football Club or Mark?

I haven't seen anything at all of the Club running around justifying things and denying compromise. Where has this been happening? Do you have article links I can read? That would be much appreciated.


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I assumed he meant Mark

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showbag wrote:
McKaysMistress wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Mackays Mistress, If Fev had not signed mid year, there is no way he would have got the same deal at years end. I suspect he would have got a lot less.

In my view Fevs deal is a bad one for the club, given the way he has played since signing, but as I did when when signed the Big Ones a few yers ago, I won't complain about but remember them when the next round of negoiations come up.


I disagree that he would have recieved less if he had waited until year end. We certainly would have looked after him better if he was unsigned. I imagine we would have admitted he was injured and actually rested him rather than play him every week and constantly deny there was anything wrong with him.

We would not have publicly bagged him in the media, because god forbid that would have devalued him!

And if he was uncontracted at seasons end, you could guarantee that clubs would have been after him. Coll would have thrown a heap of money at him to try to get him to walk into the PSD.

So I disagree. If he was uncontracted at the end of this year, I believe it would have been a bigger headache than Whitnall, Campo and Lappin combined.

So we saved ourselves that headache. But I believe we have created future headaches for ourselves by the way we handled Fev later in the year. If I was Fev or any other decent player I certainly wouldn't be signing early.


Bravo!!!!
I agree we have set a nasty precedent the way we handled the situation with Fev in the latter half of the year. Sure Fev may shoulder some blame for his body language, but the club did nothing but soil his reputation by playing him injured and offering him up as 'unwanted goods'. Not only may this influence future mid-season signings, but it may also have an impact on whether Fev continues his association with the club after this contract.

If my workplace devalued me in front of my peers they better not come knocking on my door preaching about 'loyalty' next time they want to negotiate a contract.


Totally agree, was disgraceful. Those who just believe what the club said officially are being pretty damn selective to only believe the public line when it suits them

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dannyboy wrote:
I assumed he meant Mark


That would make sense if Mark was running around denying he compromised on Whitnall's contract, however Mark had no involvement in the contract.

Again, I've heard nothing from the Club about compromise and denyal, and if all this is is that Mark doesn't think the Club compromised and Vain thinks it did, then all it is is a differing of opinion and nothing to do with the Club's credibility at all.


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yep!

Like I've been trying to say

seems to me its all about beliefs... and we know where those arguments lead....

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http://www.footygoss.com/modules.php?op ... =0&thold=0


The Saga could just about be over


this website is a damm good one for footy news


http://www.footygoss.com/


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Now you see it...now you don't.

Did Malouf make any formal statement? Or was it merely in conversation with a radio journalist?


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See it again if you want.

You've selectively chosen one post out of a conversation Verbs.
Now you know I tend not to converse with you Verbs.
You tend to drag conversations in to-

Hahaha

Riewoldt wants a pub

hahaha You're a fool

type situations, but just in case you seriously want to know, I'll make an exception this once.

Michael Malouf made a statement that the contracts offered were not negotiable.
If, as has been reported compromises were made, I believe the club has lost credibility.
There was no pressure on them to publicly make a stand. They made a conscious decision to do it and to not follow through their objective effects their credibility.
That is my opinion only.

BM has on several occasions stated that the club stood their ground.
I disagree, but BM and I disagree on several things however we have a laugh with each other and move on.
Mark is a very positive person and always pushes the positive for the club.
In this instance I believe he has misrepresented the situation.
Again, my opinion only.

Thats it.

By the way, Malouf made the comment on SEN.

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ha he called me a 'Reiwolt wants a pub'! 8)




ps this will soon end





promise





it will






soon as BV agrees with me. 8)

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So it wasn't an official release to the public of the Club's intentions through the media, rather it was Malouf engaging in conversation with a radio journalist? Probably what...two minutes conversation on Melbourne radio?


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When i want to get an idea on whats going on around the club.. i read BlueMark posts...

Then and only then.... i look for the next verbs offering.

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verbs wrote:
So it wasn't an official release to the public of the Club's intentions through the media, rather it was Malouf engaging in conversation with a radio journalist? Probably what...two minutes conversation on Melbourne radio?


It was the CEO of the club stating the clubs position via the media.
Does that make it official?

BTW, what is the statute of limitations on (x minutes=relevance?)

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I'm sure you have some degree of understanding of what a media release is and what an interview is? Surely? :?


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Yes Verbs.
I think I may gather the understanding eventually to decipher between the two.

But so I have it straight, If the CEO or President of a club appear on the television or radio and state the club is taking X position.
Is X position to be noted as the clubs position?

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yep! This is much better...this is talking footy (singing theme song in the background...talking footy....oooh oo...talking footy.....) 8)

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Blue Vain wrote:
Yes Verbs.
I think I may gather the understanding eventually to decipher between the two.

But so I have it straight, If the CEO or President of a club appear on the television or radio and state the club is taking X position.
Is X position to be noted as the clubs position?


Given it was an interview, it could hardly be detailed or in depth. Interviews deal in generalities and often move across numerous tangents. Specific policy releases on the other hand are delivered under much more controlled circumstances.


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I'll be back in the morning with some more straws for you Verbs.

:lol:

Good night.

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http://www.footygoss.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=24293&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


The Saga could just about be over


this website is a damm good one for footy news


http://www.footygoss.com/


But the link on the side is a bit out of date!
Quote:
As the trade period enters its second day, Carlton have expressed their interest in Hawthorn midfielder Brett Johnson.

Meanwhile, Hawthorn are also looking to trade veteran midfielder Daniel Harford.

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